## Blood and Chaos: The Story of a [BTVS SI] Turned Vampire

* Author: u/InveTrwpo *
* URL: https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/blood-and-chaos-the-story-of-a-btvs-si-turned-vampire.354777/
* Score: 21

* Created: 2015-09-10T16:06:31

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### Comments:

> **u/gabbalis** [+4]  (45 minutes later)
> 
> Yessss.
> 
> Buffy vamps always were unbelievably stupid, which was always one of the things I least liked about the series.
> 
> I love me a competent pragmatic immoral protagonist.
> 
> Edit: A competent pragmatic immoral protagonist that does SCIENCE! On people. Mostly on innocent people.

> **u/FuguofAnotherWorld** [+3]  *Roll the Dice on Fate* (4 hours later)
> 
> That's an impressive number of posts considering it's only been up a week.
> 
> Edit: This is very good quality. I like it. It is interesting to read a character that legitimately does not care about morality whatsoever. Like, normally people at least angst about doing terrible things afterwards but this guy just doesn't give a crap.

>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+3]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (11 hours later)
>> 
>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>> 
>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>> 
>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>> 
>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>> 
>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>> 
>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>> 
>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>> 
>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>> **u/xamueljones** [+1]  *My arch-enemy is entropy* (13 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Um....can I have a link to these fanfics? I'd be interested in what you've written.

>>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+2]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (a day later)
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>>> 
>>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>>> 
>>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>>> 
>>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>>> 
>>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>>>> 
>>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>>>> **u/xamueljones** [+3]  *My arch-enemy is entropy* (30 days later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> *blushes deeply*
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was rather hesitant to say anything about it, but I decided that you should know what I thought of them if only because I wanted you to.......write more...*peeks through fingers*..please?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't realize that you wrote smut at first, but I decided to read it anyway because I like reading porn.......and how did you ever manage to actually write *good* sex scenes? So many are written badly and you are the best erotica writer I have ever read so far....and I've read quite a good number of them.

>>>>>> **u/DataPacRat** [+1]  *Amateur Immortalist* (30 days later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > So many are written badly
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what exceptions might you recommend?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (I could start with http://pendorwright.com/journals/ ...)

>>>>>>> **u/xamueljones** [+1]  *My arch-enemy is entropy* (30 days later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> > Out of curiosity, what exceptions might you recommend?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For the ones where the sex scenes are actually well-done? Well, my standards are simply if it's good enough for me to still remember it a few days later, which is only two of them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First up is [Good Intentions](http://www.amazon.com/Good-Intentions-Elliott-Kay-ebook/dp/B0054E8QYE) by Elliot Kay. The sex scenes were fairly well-written and actually spent some time focused on the women's pleasure instead of being like other stories where it's all about the male enjoying a sex-doll of a partner. I also liked it because of how the sex was used as part of the plot instead of being gratuitous (at least not too much). I liked the story, but it's not too rational.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Next up is [Tales of MU](http://www.talesofmu.com/about) which I'm only 50 chapters into, but I really like how strongly the author is focusing on the multiple sexual relationships between different monster species with wildly different cultural expectations about sex. As well as highlighting the spectrum of unhealthy relationships to positive ones. The only thing I'm uncertain about is how well she's depicting BDSM and similar actions. It's different from what I expected, but I realize that my expectations were colored by popular media and trashy romance novels, so I could be just wrong about how being sexually submissive and dominant works.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They both involve sex as part of the plot and as a positive relationship experience like how /u/TimeLoopPowerGamer does for his stories.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, I was surprised to receive a comment from you within half an hour of me posting a comment on a thread where no one else had commented anything for about two weeks. Are you following me online?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because if so, I'm actually flattered. I didn't think I was interesting enough to be watched by anyone. Well that and the fact that I kinda look up to you for being able to write something as awesome as SI.

>>>>>>>> **u/DataPacRat** [+1]  *Amateur Immortalist* (30 days later)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > They both involve sex as part of the plot and as a positive relationship experience like how /u/TimeLoopPowerGamer does for his stories.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Then I can definitely recommend the Journal Entries as likely being of interest to you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > Also, I was surprised to receive a comment from you within half an hour of me posting a comment on a thread where no one else had commented anything for about two weeks. Are you following me online?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Not quite; but my feedreader is subscribed to http://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/.rss with a one-hour refresh schedule, which, taking a quick look at https://www.reddit.com/user/xamueljones/submitted/ , would seem to cover nearly all of your Reddit activity even without specifically following you. (Hm, /can/ I subscribe to individual account RSS feeds on Reddit? ... Well, whaddaya know, it looks like I can. That should let me add a few feeds of interest...) :)

>>>>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+1]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (30 days later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>>>>>> **u/xamueljones** [+1]  *My arch-enemy is entropy* (30 days later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oops! I posted a comment earlier to you earlier, but it looks like my computer didn't post it. Argh...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyway to recap, have a follow from me on AO3 and fanfiction for your upcoming chapters. ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> > Tonks as a post-gendered, sex-positive, magical transhumanist bodyguard
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You need to do this for NaNoWriMo.  *DDDDDooooo it!*
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So many writers just use Tonks as a perfect disiusger, or even as someone who can become the woman of your dreams without even addressing the potential psychological issues that might have (does he love me for me, or just who I can become?) or even take advantage of the more esoteric uses of her ability (hello eternal youth and quick route to super-strength). The closest was someone commenting that her clumsiness could be due to her body-shape and mass changing so often that her brain just can't learn the proper muscle memory quickly enough before her body changes again.

>>>>> **u/Bowbreaker** [+2]  *Solitary Locust* (6 days later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now I'm really curious about good rational smut. Though good stories in general that contain smut as a natural but not completely overwhelming *part* of them would be even better.

>>>>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+1]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (6 days later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>>>>>> **u/Bowbreaker** [+1]  *Solitary Locust* (6 days later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Actually it would probably also be awesome to just have them have a healthy relationship already early on/from the beginning. You know, intelligent stories where love and/or sex is neither the main focus of the story nor something kept in the background.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or maybe I myself don't know what I want due to the lack of finding such things often enough to compare them to each other.

>>>>> **u/xamueljones** [+1]  *My arch-enemy is entropy* (2 days later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> *faceplams*
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know why I thought this, but I made the mistaken assumption that you had used a different name from TimeLoopedPowerGamer to post your stories.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the links!

>> **u/OutOfNiceUsernames** [+2]  *fear of last pages* (2 days later)
>> 
>> Regarding protagonist’s amorality: in Buffy Universe becoming a vampire means that the original person “dies” and a “soulless” demon inhabits their body afterwards. Being “soulless” in turn means that a vampire doesn’t care much about morality and generally lacks compassion and empathy. 
>> 
>> There was a lot of drama strewn around this with two major characters. I’m guessing later on Jack will either recover his soul or discover that it’s gradually “recovering” with time.

>>> **u/FuguofAnotherWorld** [+2]  *Roll the Dice on Fate* (2 days later)
>>> 
>>> I know, it's an interesting mechanic, isn't it?

>>> **u/Pakars** [+1]  (2 days later)
>>> 
>>> I believe there was an interlude where some people were talking about going 'oops' and losing someone's soul.
>>> 
>>> Probably his.

> **u/liamash3** [+2]  *Mizu* (14 hours later)
> 
> Quite good so far. Haven't read a sociopathic SI before, and finding it quite interesting. Not that he really counts as SI now, I suppose.

>> **u/None** [+3]  (2 days later)
>> 
>> Eh, it's still got the important SI elements. Memories, exploitation of those memories, examination of in-universe elements in the context of our universe, etc.

> **u/Dreamliss** [+2]  (15 days later)
> 
> Little help here, what's all of [BTVS SI] stand for?
> 
> I've watched all of Buffy, way back when, and just tried reading this. It seems interesting, think I'm going to keep going, but I'm confused. Either I'm forgetting a ton of Buffy (which is very possible) or all this starling / mother / father stuff is not part of Buffy cannon?
> 
> Thanks.

>> **u/Ruljinn** [+1]  (2 months later)
>> 
>> It's not Buffy canon. It's Jack being a touch obsessed with Family, and also a bit... other than sane.
>> 
>> starling is just... Dru being Dru while describing a character that came from outside of her world.
>> 
>> Mother is Drusilla, because she's a woman, and she created him.
>> 
>> father is the human SI that he was made out of.

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