## How would you go about actually neutralizing God?

* Author: u/awesomeideas  *Dai stiho, cousin.**
* URL: https://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/4y091g/how_would_you_go_about_actually_neutralizing_god/
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* Created: 2016-08-16T16:03:33

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### Comments:

> **u/Jiro_T** [+18]  (25 minutes later)
> 
> The holy books are inconsistent enough that "how would we neutralize God as defined in the holy books" is underspecified.  If he's capable of creating the universe in a day, there's probably not much you can do.  If he has to send the angel of death to kill the Egyptians by looking at the marks on the doorposts rather than just waving his hand and having them all instantly die, he's a lot weaker.

>> **u/None** [+6]  (an hour later)
>> 
>> It's either underspecified or it's so clear as to make God almost bland in how powerful it is, so there's nothing worth discussing.
>> 
>> You're almost better off finding a fictional version of God balanced for a universe to deal with. They might actually have feats and challenges.

>> **u/LiteralHeadCannon** [+2]  (53 minutes later)
>> 
>> What if he's "merely" capable of creating the universe as the ancient Jews understood it in a single week? IE, something about the size of the Earth, which is flat.

> **u/JerryGrim** [+14]  (53 minutes later)
> 
> Well by the torah, I'd expect god to be neutralized by his own directives. By the king james bible, I'd expect god to be neutralized by his son basically going "Dad, don't be a dick". By what I understand of islam, I expect god to be neutralized by virtue of being multifaceted enough to see all sides.
> 
> In general this is a case of the invisible dragon in their garage. You can expect god to do nothing measurable or meaningful, where it can be recorded. Accordingly video cameras and regular recordkeeping effectively prevents god from acting in a detectable way. So I'd argue that god is effectively already neutralized.

>> **u/None** [+5]  (an hour later)
>> 
>> > By what I understand of islam, I expect god to be neutralized by virtue of being multifaceted enough to see all sides.
>> > 
>> 
>> Why would  this be the case?
>> 
>> God in Islam iirc outright stated to[ sending angels to interfere in a tribal conflict for Mohammed](https://quran.com/3/123-129), and angels have shown the ability to disguise themselves almost perfectly to deal with mortals. 
>> 
>> It's not a being that you can expect to not act.

> **u/Sparkwitch** [+9]  (48 minutes later)
> 
> God's biggest biblical weakness seems to be a requirement tor intermediaries. God only speaks to specific people, and even then usually indirectly through angels or signs. Direct action by God seems so rare that the few times it happens could very well be explained as elision: God "created" the universe in the same way that Steve Jobs "created" the iPhone.
> 
> God as supervisor rather than pure omnipotence... a functional polytheist pantheon hiding behind a single CEO.
> 
> In that case, convincing various underlings to revolt would be the obvious path to neutralizing God's influence. Indeed the (largely apocryphal - in the classic sense) failed revolution by Lucifer seems to imply such a previous vote of no-confidence.
> 
> I'd also suggest that pushing for boardroom politics would be risky unless we could also guarantee that whomever filled the power vacuum would have our interests better in mind than God did... a tall order whether it's a new CEO, a committee, or some sort of nascent shareholder democracy.

>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+2]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (3 hours later)
>> 
>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>> 
>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>> 
>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>> 
>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>> 
>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>> 
>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>> 
>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>> 
>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>> **u/Sparkwitch** [+3]  (4 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Specifically *not* Satan. The two times he shows up in the bible - Job's first chapters and Jesus' temptation in the wilderness - he comes across as a loyal and effective employee. He thinks outside the box, but he never does anything God doesn't ask him to do.
>>> 
>>> Like I say, the Lucifer rebellion is (with the exception of one of the Pauline letters) only in the Apocrypha rather than the bible proper... and even there he's got nothing to do with Satan.

>>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+1]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (5 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>>> 
>>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>>> 
>>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>>> 
>>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>>> 
>>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>>>> 
>>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>> **u/Schpwuette** [+2]  (4 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Ah right yeah. Of course. To neutralise God, back his strongest opponent. It's obvious now that you say it.

> **u/None** [+7]  (an hour later)
> 
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>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+9]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (3 hours later)
>> 
>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>> 
>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>> 
>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>> 
>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>> 
>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>> 
>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>> 
>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>> 
>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+7]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (an hour later)
> 
> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
> 
> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
> 
> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
> 
> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
> 
> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
> 
> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
> 
> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
> 
> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>> **u/None** [+1]  (2 hours later)
>> 
>> >  Point is, it looks like Atheism + Hinduism vs. "God")
>> > 
>> 
>> OP specifically stated that it was the Abrahamic god.It's the gods of the Christians, Muslims and Jews only. 
>> 
>> >if it isn't logically possible given scientific observations, it isn't true
>> 
>> Something can be logically possible but not scientifically proven. 
>> 
>> You can say that god can't make a square hole fit in a round peg, but this does nothing for the idea that there are different celestial realms filled with inumerable angels (that God has explicitly used for war before) that God is at the center of (as described in Islam). This is not logically impossible, it's just not scienfically proven. 
>> 
>> But, given that we're assuming God is real..it has to be assumed to be true. 
>> 
>> And this goes for  the other  stuff. At the end of the day not being logically impossible is no salvation

>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+3]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (3 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>> 
>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>> 
>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>> 
>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>> 
>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>>> 
>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>>> 
>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>>> 
>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>>> **u/None** [+2]  (3 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> > You are adding in your own constraint and not giving any reasons. I gave reasons for my expanded scope.
>>>> > 
>>>> 
>>>> I mean...the reasoning is simple: OP wants to have a discussion about countering the Abrahamic God. Thus he posits that the Abrahamic god exists.
>>>> 
>>>> He never posits a mechanism for this that would justify expanding existence to any other gods (**you** decide to posit  that number of believers somehow matter, **you** impose a mechanism that justifies that leap).
>>>> 
>>>> So I never see a reason to infer this from the OP's stated words nor any reason to infer this from the OP's implicit desires. Like, if you read that post, it seems clear to me what he wants. And it's not about discussing the Hindu gods.
>>>> 
>>>> At a certain point you have to ask yourself where reason is taking you? It seems that you can add certain features and then extrapolate whatever you like,but then are we talking about what the OP stated? Neutralizing the Abrahamic god?
>>>> 
>>>> >True. Nothing to do with what I said, however. I'm talking about things from the books that aren't logically possible given existing scientific observations. Not just unknown or unproven, but known to be false.
>>>> 
>>>> We don't even use those rules for scifi universes (and scifi doesn't have the metaphysical claim that God is transcendent). I wouldn't respond to a Culture-on-Earth hypothetical by saying that the Culture would fail cause some power of theirs doesn't work according to our science.
>>>> 
>>>> It's not just not how these things work by convention, it's not *fun*.
>>>> 
>>>> >OP said parts of those books would not be accurate. I'm suggesting the existence of the supernatural doesn't throw out all of science. It just requires careful observation and new theories.
>>>> 
>>>> They could be inaccurate for other reasons, like the message getting corrupted.
>>>> 
>>>> Even so, you still have to maintain a "core" of "Godness" otherwise you're not really discussing anything like the actual God of the popular conception.
>>>> 
>>>> If the Islamic God says he knows everything down to the finest atom or something similarly absurd...tough shit if that contradicts some scientific principle. 
>>>> 
>>>> If we tossed it all out then there's no point.
>>>> 
>>>> *Some* of it may be inaccurate. But there are limits before we're not actually talking about God as seen by people or as written- making the whole exercise pointless- and you're just creating an alternate being to discuss. 
>>>> 
>>>> Frankly, I blame the OP for this. Cause the entire scenario is flawed. God as described is kind of unbeatable, so the OP throws in a sort of weak caveat and never fleshes it out. So this is exactly what happens: you either extrapolate too much to find a path to something seemingly impossible or there's little to nothing to discuss.

>>>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+3]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (5 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>>>>> 
>>>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

> **u/LesserWrong** [+2]  (3 hours later)
> 
> I'd start with chariots of iron. There's probably some awkward interpretations that could work out

> **u/None** [+3]  (36 minutes later)
> 
> I wrote a story about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse appearing and being taken out by a single drone strike. I mean, horsemen?

> **u/PM_ME_EXOTIC_FROGS** [+1]  (an hour later)
> 
> If God describes himself accurately in his books, then not by a long shot. Like, what are you thinking? What would you even *do*? Our most powerful weapons are explosives that can destroy cities. 
> 
> Where would you fire them? Why would you *bother*?
> 
> If God exists as advertised, your best course of action is repentance. I get that people don't like the idea of worshipping some controlling asshat, but sometimes you've gotta shrug and cope with the universe you live in.

> **u/lsparrish** [+1]  (9 hours later)
> 
> Apparently, it is possible to [win a wrestling match with God](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032:22-32). Also, he's prone to making [long lasting promises](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+15). Combining that creatively might be a way to get to the standard omnipotent-genie condition (which you'd want to be very careful with, obviously).
> 
> He seems to respond well to blood sacrifice, so a program of breeding large numbers of doves and pigeons might be in order. No sense wasting energy on lambs and oxen, unless there is found to be some empirical benefit. (Note: Mt. Carmel used oxen, but there's no explicit requirement of bigger and more expensive animals.)
> 
> The city of Sodom [could have been spared](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18%3A16-33) by seeding it with ten 'Righteous' people. So one way to neutralize God's wrath would be to make sure the world has a small clan of 'Righteous' people living in every city.
> 
> We don't necessarily know what Righteous is for the purposes of this rule, but there seems to be some type of bloodline effect involved rather than a purely behavioral property. Lot and his family are seemingly considered Righteous for the sake of the story, despite exhibiting what we might think of as reprehensible behavior, due to their relationship to Abraham. Of course, not trying to *rape angels* probably factors into the consideration of what counts as Righteous, but there were probably a fair number of women and children in Sodom who had no part in that particular event. In any case, selectively breeding Righteous bloodlines and ensuring that a small tribe of ten or so exists in every city (especially ones known for wickedness) would seem to be highly advisable.
> 
> Another way to potentially steer divine will would be to use an artifact such as the Ark of the Covenant. [Obed-Edom](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel+6) got good results by hosting the Ark at his house for a few months, and presumably [Abinadab's house on the hill](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel+7:1) had similar results in the twenty years it hosted the Ark. Such artifacts can certainly be dangerous, as God has been known to kill people who touch it without due reverence (for example, whilst trying to keep it from falling off of an oxcart, when it was supposed to be ported around on foot by Levites using sacred poles). Hosting it in a contaminated environment (e.g. dedicated to an idol such as Baal) tends to cause plagues to be released, so of course you don't do that.
> 
> One intriguing possibility is that Arks might be mass produceable. The question is whether there needs to be a new Covenant per Ark, or whether a single Covenant can have multiple Arks. Either way, you could have more than one Ark (assuming more than one Covenant is possible). Note that the Ten Commandment tablets of stone were destroyed and replaced; perhaps of the the broken tablets were to be repaired, they could be used to fuel a second Ark. Other types of spiritual artifacts might be collected and placed in suitable boxes to similar effect.
> 
> A good use for Arks of the Covenant (or Arks of Covenants, if you can talk Yahweh into agreeing to additional Covenants, perhaps one or more per generation) would be to filter un-Righteous people out of a given bloodline, making it extra pure over time. You could have a ceremony before a young man can get married where he has to touch the Ark with due reverence and survive. Since polygyny is tolerated by Yahweh, this wouldn't necessarily come at much cost to the tribe's ability to replenish its numbers. Those who survive the ceremony could also be given a special license, such that ten such individuals would receive pay for lodging in a Wicked city to prevent its destruction.
> 
> The Old Testament doesn't seem to have a Hell, but resurrecting the dead is desirable in any case. You'd want to preserve at least the bones of any dead people, since the [Valley of Dry Bones](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2037:1-14) prophecy suggests this might be necessary. As far as I know, the only artifact known to resurrect the dead in the OT is [Elisha's Bones](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings+13:20-22). During his life, Elisha also uses [full body contact](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Kings+4%3A18-37) with a patient to resurrect him, so direct contact with the bones may not be required. Such bones could perhaps be put in a box similar to the Ark along with other artifacts to keep them charged or to extend the range of their effect. Resurrecting wicked people would be important if there's a Hell, but it might be safer (less likely to trigger 'defilement' protections similar to the Ark in the temple of Baal) to use the bones to resurrect Righteous people first. More Righteous People in the vicinity would lessen any divine retribution in any case.
> 
> If Elisha himself could be resurrected from a partial skeleton somehow, it might be possible to self-replicate this artifact (assuming the resurrected Elisha has a complete skeleton, and eventually dies).

> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+1]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (7 hours later)
> 
> This is a brainstorming post, which we only allow for authors (one per chapter!).
> 
> But *dai*, Hrasht! Come check out /r/errantry!

>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+1]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (9 hours later)
>> 
>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>> 
>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>> 
>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>> 
>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>> 
>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
>> 
>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
>> 
>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
>> 
>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+1]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (10 hours later)
>>> 
>>> No, it's not allowed because this is a subreddit for rational fiction, not vs. debates.
>>> 
>>> We had an utter plague of them before the rule was added :/

>>>> **u/TimeLoopedPowerGamer** [+1]  *Utopian Smut Peddler* (15 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
>>>> 
>>>> In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
>>>> 
>>>> Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
>>>> 
>>>> “The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
>>>> 
>>>> The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
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>>>> Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
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>>>> Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
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>>>> L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

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