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Hermione Granger and the Perfectly Reasonable Explanation Chapter 8: Interpersonal Development
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Author: u/Cariyaga Kyubey did nothing wrong*
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URL: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9950232/11/Hermione-Granger-and-the-Perfectly-Reasonable-Explanation
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Score: 34
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Created: 2015-03-14T04:50:43
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u/PeridexisErrant [+9] put aside fear for courage, and death for life (2 hours later)
Also, hi, /r/rational! I'd been giving the view statistics my best McGonagall eyebrow and wondering what had caused the ridiculous (in relative terms) spike in views…
(Laughs like a wise old wizard who just got the joke)
u/FeepingCreature [+9] GCV Literally The Entire Culture (3 hours later)
I'll probably make one some time so I can drop in - threads there seem a lot more convenient for discussion than the PM system on .
Yeah and also we don't sometimes silently remove words from your comments.
(For context: ffn strips out links. "fanfiction.net" looks suspiciously like a link...)
u/RobinDrew [+7] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (13 hours later)
*sigh* Well, we have to protect the children, don't we?
/muttering
Thanks for pointing it out, though, I'll try to work around that.
u/eaglejarl [+4] (17 hours later)
Having dealt with this a lot, the way around it is to do something like thiis: foo. com /bar
u/callmebrotherg [+3] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (a day later)
Another alternative: using Archive of Our Own.
u/RobinDrew [+2] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (3 days later)
I hadn't heard about that one, I'll give it a look.
u/daydev [+7] (15 hours later)
I like this fic very much thus far. Hermione is the most identifiable character in canon for me, who I felt was taken for granted and didn't get a proper appreciation, neither from characters nor the narrative. She was dumped with Ron for Merlin's sake! So it's nice to see her in the center of a rational narrative.
Also I have a great hope about exploration of the idea "science and reason meet wizards". Especially since HPMOR kind of dropped the idea closer to the end.
I wouldn't want to offend the author by comparing the fic with HPMOR, but my current hope for it is to become second and better iteration of "rational Harry Potter".
u/GopherAtl [+7] (15 hours later)
I am not as harsh in my views of hpmor, but I do agree that I'm hoping this will remain what hpmor seemed to be at the start, but ultimately kindof stopped being, namely, a rational exploration of magic in the potterverse - after a point, fairly early on, hpmor became more of a treatise on rational philosophy in general, and spent shockingly little time actually applying said philosophy to magic, or further exploring or developing on any underlying system of rules for it.
u/daydev [+4] (15 hours later)
Yeah, that's almost exactly my thinking.
Just to clarify, I didn't mean it like HPMOR is something bad to be compared with, just in general sense that an author may be offended that their work is compared to something else, maybe implying that they're derivative. It's just great to see a story that has a promise to become something that HPMOR might have been.
u/RobinDrew [+3] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (3 days later)
I'm trying not to be derivative of HPMOR, but I was definitely inspired by its example. One handicap for HPMOR I think was that if you do a true scientific investigation of magic, you run into one (or more) of three typical side-effects:
- The implication that most canon Witches and Wizards are and have been incurious simpletons.
- Realistic scientific research (with rigor) usually requires a lot of time and effort.
- The number of exploitable situations in canon is large to begin with, and adding scientific underpinnings and meta-magic will only make a protagonist OP that much more quickly.
1 can be fun in small doses, but begins to drag on if repeated. 2 would tend to require big and/or frequent time-skips, or an unrealistic portrayal. 3 wasn't in EY's interests, he wanted rationality to be the superpower, not science in itself. I have notions for getting around 2, and I don't have the same problem with 3, so expect my Hermione to eventually start figuring things out and shaking things up, assuming she doesn't get killed first. :)
u/Lugnut1206 [+3] (a day later)
In this fic, I like how it's not just "super scientific protagonist meets magic" but rather that Hermione is sharing magic with the wizards. This is quite the fascinating twist, and I'm expecting it to come out well.
u/LauralHill [+5] (a day later)
Canon!Hermione was always a little too overzealous for me to really like, but almost every fanon version of her toned that down. I mean I sure was smart enough at 12 to realize that people don't like it when you stand out too much.
This fic definitely covers that feeling, even if Hermione has read Carnegie. Sure the science stuff is going well too, but the emotional notes pull me in.
(once tried to read a realistic!abused!Harry fic, but he seemed so realistic that I couldn't much empathize. Although he was totally reading ahead and stuff, he just wasn't enjoyable for me to read.)
u/ZeroNihilist [+6] (12 hours later)
"We don't have Transfiguration today," pointed out Stephen Cornfoot. Hermione was startled to realize he was right...their final Transfiguration session of the week was tomorrow, Thursday. She wasn't sure why she'd assumed it was later today, she must have slept even more poorly than she'd thought.
Looks like somebody's been obliviated yet again. Perhaps by a certain murderous man-cum-rat, or a headmaster who wants to keep it under wraps?
u/Adamantium9001 [+10] United Federation of Planets (18 hours later)
If so, blegh. Memory erasure - just, in the abstract - makes me sick to my stomach. Fiona the police officer in Harry Potter and the Natural 20 got it exactly right.
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...Fuck. Now I hafta go dig up that quote, don't I?
...(over 10 minutes later)...
...Alright, got it:
[Fiona] realized she was shaking, and it wasn't with fear. How dare they? She didn't know who was behind this, but what gave them the right? Her memories were her own, damn it. They were her life. Taking away someone's memory was murder. The Fiona Smythe who had left this message for her was no less dead just because there was still a Fiona Smythe to listen to it.
(from chapter CC8)
u/AugSphere [+7] Dark Lord of Corruption (a day later)
I nearly dropped this story when the Olivander just casually obliviated her. If I was in that situation, I'd probably obsessively make backups and precommit to treating anyone who messes with my mind without permission as an enemy. But Hermione is not even aware of this type of attack and thus cannot hope to detect it.
Somehow I find myself hoping that whatever precious 'destiny' awaits her, Hermione will say "deal with your shit by your damn selves, you mindraping bastards" and do something more productive with her time.
u/daydev [+7] (a day later)
Well, I'd drop it if Hermione started casually obliviating people, or if the story treated it as no big deal (looking at you, canon).
I expect there'll be proper indignation when Hermione figures out that someone is messing with her mind, and she'll make Fiona proud yet.
u/RobinDrew [+3] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (3 days later)
Ollivander in canon is mysterious to the point of being counter-productive...this is more of the same, only in reaction to a couple of my "tweaks".
Hermione has heard of Obliviation, but only in the context of Official Authority using it on muggles For Their Own Good...she's had no reason at all to imagine it would be used on her. When she does run into reasons to start actively questioning that sort of thing, she will definitely develop strong opinions on the ethics involved.
u/AugSphere [+2] Dark Lord of Corruption (3 days later)
Oh, I didn't mean that it's badly written! It's entirely in character for Olivander to be an overly mysterious ass, I just was pretty upset with him about this particular instance of it. The story is absolutely fine.
u/RMcD94 [+1] (a day later)
Seems like a very strong reaction, especially considering a) how unreliable memory is and b) the acceptability of societies consumption of a drug (alcohol) that leads to memory loss (blacking out).
I mean you say mind-"rape" but the only real connection to rape is the lack of consent, rape can never be healthy were obliviate can be used for a lot of mental issues positively.
u/AugSphere [+5] Dark Lord of Corruption (a day later)
obliviate can be used for a lot of mental issues positively
And I do not condemn use of this spell when it is used with consent or as an emergency medical procedure. But casually erasing valuable information from someone's mind just because you feel like it? That's too much. I didn't get the feeling that Hermione knowing about her 'destiny' would present some catastrophic risk to someone, rather Olivander just felt it would be more proper for the heroine to not know this for some reason.
u/Transfuturist [+6] Carthago delenda est. (a day later)
Shit. I need to learn to keep track of misperceptions in settings that have memory editing. Particularly due to the principle of narrative conservation.
u/throwawayIWGWPC [+5] (4 hours later)
Robin.Drew,
Brilliant writing. I love the clean and smooth prose and the subtle rationalist spin so far (subtle when compared with HPMOR's aggressively overt rationalism, that is).
Please keep them coming as fast as you can. Hermione is by far my favorite character in canon, so I'm eagerly awaiting the next installments!
u/Zephyr1011 [+7] Potentially Unfriendly Aspiring Divinity (6 hours later)
I don't think that cariyaga is the author, just posting it here
u/throwawayIWGWPC [+3] (11 hours later)
Thanks for pointing that out.
u/Cariyaga [+2] Kyubey did nothing wrong (12 hours later)
Ah, no, I'm not; but I suspect the author will be viewing this post at some point, so I'll take the opportunity to thank them too!
u/RobinDrew [+4] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (13 hours later)
Thank you!
I'm trying to commit to a writing schedule that would allow me to post more regular updates, but it's always a struggle.
u/Cariyaga [+3] Kyubey did nothing wrong (15 hours later)
Don't force yourself into it too much! Take your time and enjoy the ride!
u/throwawayIWGWPC [+2] (2 days later)
Also, I recommend Blindness, another HP fan fic.
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/10937871/1/Blindness
It's really fantastic, which has rationalist and non-rationalist characteristics, but is really quite engrossing and well written.
And I am very much looking forward to more Hermione. Selfishly speaking, a loose writing schedule would really be appreciated, but certainly do take your time; your writing is quality.
u/torac [+2] (8 hours later)
I read Reddit, but don't have an account, I'll probably make one some time so I can drop in
In that case:
> whinging that when she'd asked
whiningApparently I don’t know colloquial BE well. Thanks for pointing that out.that was something she'd read in a different that she had been able to internalize
different book
u/eaglejarl [+7] (10 hours later)
Whinging is the correct Brit-speak.
u/RobinDrew [+3] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (14 hours later)
Thank you! I don't do a lot of editing, so I'm very grateful for any proofreading help people want to offer.
u/stringless [+3] Rebel Alliance (23 hours later)
Just finished reading through. Definitely enjoying this take on her.
(you skipped the "s" on a "was" in chapter 7, by the way)
u/Transfuturist [+2] Carthago delenda est. (a day later)
by the was*)
u/RobinDrew [+2] Ravenclaw - (Author: HGPRE) (3 days later)
Thanks, fixed!