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Pushing Daisies

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In the 2007-2009 show Pushing Daisies, the protagonist has the power to raise the dead (of any species), with two catches:

  • Touching someone (or something) twice undoes the effect, and the same person cannot be affected more than once.

  • If you don't undo the effect within sixty seconds, something with "equivalent life value" dies somewhere else, generally nearby. This doesn't stay within species lines, but you also don't have any control over it, so whether the cost is paid by a human or something else seems to be random.

The protagonist of the show worked with a private investigator. What would you do?

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u/alexanderwales [+16] Time flies like an arrow (45 minutes later)

I become a vampire hunter. One touch turns the dead back into the living, which neutralizes all of a vampire's advantages. This only works until the point where vampires start using handguns. If they're already using handguns, then I probably die in the first encounter.

On a more serious note, the first thing I would do is gather some information. The 60-second limit is basically so crap that it's almost not worth bothering with. That means turning my attention to permanently bringing someone to life. This "equivalent life value" business is poorly defined in the show, but assuming that there are any rules at all, enough experimentation should be able to find the principles. It doesn't appear that there's a limit on how long resurrection lasts, nor does it appear that resurrected people age, so "equivalent life value" seems like it works out in my favor.

If I can control who dies (probably by manipulating who is around; I would get a sectioned off site in the middle of a desert with plenty of warning signs up), then I can go into business resurrecting people. There are plenty of people who would be willing to die to have someone they love brought back to life, it would just be a matter of marketing. If I were especially unscrupulous, I would try to get some funding through insurance companies, but that would require secrecy, which goes contrary to marketing (and the fact that I'm bringing people back from the dead).

Edit: Possibly contentious, but if at all possible I think trading human immortality for the death of a lower animal is perfectly acceptable.

u/Escapement [+5] Ankh-Morpork City Watch (6 hours later)

Never saw the show, but in the same vein, if the human sacrifice element is truly required, you could attempt to trade people who are terminally ill, people who are already sufficiently damaged that they will die immediately regardless, people who are sentenced to die anyways, etc, for more permanent lives. There are obvious moral and ethical issues that will arise from this, but still seems worth pursuing

u/sephlington [+5] (15 hours later)

I'd say it's more moral than current execution methods, as it's guaranteed to be painless and quick.

It does also make a superior euthanasia method, for the same reasons. Both of them do have moral issues, but if they're going to happen, this is a better way.

u/BT_Uytya [+2] The Laundry (a day later)

What if terminally Ill people are equivalent to squirrels? It isn't very big problem, just need more precautions.

u/DCarrier [+3] (2 hours later)

One touch turns the dead back into the living, which neutralizes all of a vampire's advantages.

But people Ned brought back are harder to kill then vampires. They can only die by Ned's touch.

Possibly contentious, but if at all possible I think trading human immortality for the death of a lower animal is perfectly acceptable.

Not possible. You can trade one kind of animal for another, but humans only get you humans.

u/alexanderwales [+9] Time flies like an arrow (2 hours later)

Not possible. You can trade one kind of animal for another, but humans only get you humans.

This is one of those things that needs experimentation to prove for sure; the basis of the equivalence isn't explored in the show, and so far as I recall, Ned never does any serious experimentation (for obvious ethical reasons, though there are certainly ways around that). The fact that you can trade a squirrel's life for a dog's life indicates to me that the possibility of trading something else for a human is a possibility worth pursuing.

u/eaglejarl [+2] (13 hours later)

But people Ned brought back are harder to kill then vampires. They can only die by Ned's touch.

Doesn't him double-clicking them get the job done? "Pokeyou'realivepokeagainyou'redeadforreal hahahaha!"

u/DCarrier [+2] (13 hours later)

Wouldn't they just turn back into vampires?

u/eaglejarl [+2] (15 hours later)

I guess it depends on how the power works. My assumption was that it was an overwrite -- it changes you to the 'living human' state, overwriting your 'undead vampire' state. When you tap them again you set them to the 'dead human' state.

u/None [+12] (2 hours later)

Sell "life insurance": Basically, I sell an extra 59 seconds of life, contingent on their body being intact enough to revive. During that time, they can say goodbye to loved ones, present evidence in a murder case, etc. For a substantial extra fee, they can name an activity within the bounds of legality and reason that they'd like to do before they die, and be revived in time to do that, so long as it's within 59 seconds. If there was someone really, really important that needed to be revived, I would probably try to find terminal patients, prisoners on death row, and other people with low expected life duration and quality, and pay them a very large amount of money to collectively gather around the one who needs to be revived.

u/DCarrier [+7] (2 hours later)

I'd have something in the middle of nowhere were I'd have a bunch of dying people that asked to be euthanized and I'd bring in and revive dead people who were at the prime of their lives.

so whether the cost is paid by a human or something else seems to be random.

Is it ever not payed by a human? I've only seen a few episodes, but it seemed to always be a human for a human and a non-human for a non-human.

u/callmebrotherg [+5] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (2 hours later)

I'm not sure, but I recall that the dog was paid for with a squirrel, so I didn't want to be too definitive.

u/DCarrier [+6] (2 hours later)

And there were a bunch of frogs payed for by squirrels. He did enough with animals that we can be sure the two times it was with humans wasn't a coincidence.

u/callmebrotherg [+3] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (2 hours later)

Hm...

We might have an interesting loophole in using people on death row to pay the price. Of course, we might then have incentivized the system to add more and more reasons to apply the death penalty, not unlike the world of Baby Blues.

u/Sceptically [+5] (10 hours later)

Of course, you risk losing a lot of prison guards...

u/callmebrotherg [+3] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (11 hours later)

I think Alexander Wales mentioned doing this in the middle of a desert. Hopefully, with only yourself and a bound prisoner for tens of miles around, you won't find that the power is a jerkass that decided to travel five hundred miles to take out someone that you didn't intend.

u/alexanderwales [+3] Time flies like an arrow (11 hours later)

Yeah, and you test the power's range and selective ability with rats or mice first. Go into the middle of as uninhabited of an area as you can find with a bunch of mouse corpses, and get an assistant with a walkie-talkie to bring live mice in and then clear the area. Doing it this way, you can probably test how much the power responds to different variables, most notably proximity.

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    • "I've never made a tv show before."
    • "I've started writing it, but got stuck before the first duel."

u/Sailor_Vulcan [+1] Champion of Justice and Reason (21 hours later)

Sigh. What's the chance that it picked most of these ones twice in a row by coincidence? Maybe it has some strange algorithm for determining which facts are the "fun" facts...

u/goocy [+1] (a day later)

Let me try :)

/u/trollabot goocy

u/TrollaBot [+1] (a day later)

Analyzing goocy

  • comments per month: 16.7 ^I ^help!

  • posts per month: 0.6 ^lurker

  • favorite sub EmDrive

  • favorite words: energy, really, power

  • age 5 years 0 months ^old ^man

  • profanity score 0.6% ^Gosh ^darnet ^gee ^wiz

  • trust score 89%

  • Fun facts about goocy

    • "I've run a quick statistical analysis on the raw data."
    • "I've started with the assumption that the EMdrive's thrust reaches equilibrium with the counterforce of the torsion thread instantly."
    • "I've truncated the first 30 minutes of data and segmented the next 7:45 hours into 8 segments - 4 with power on, 4 with power off."
    • "I've then calculated the mean absolute rotation for each segment."
    • "I've then run a pairwise, 2-tailed Student's T-test over this data."
    • "I've asked for a meet-up with the team; since they publish "data" like this, it seems like they desparately need the help of a scientist like me."
    • "I've never done drugs."
    • "I've only seen tests for two directions: normal and turned by 180 degrees."
    • "I'm a skeptic, and this experiment would convince me, at least if used in a closed container."
    • "I've heard about it this year."
    • "I've also read that diodes can't switch that fast."

u/Nevereatcars [+1] The Greatest Is Behind (3 days later)

/u/trollabot nevereatcars

u/Nevereatcars [+1] The Greatest Is Behind (3 days later)

/u/trollabot alexanderwales

u/Nevereatcars [+1] The Greatest Is Behind (3 days later)

/u/trollabot eaglejarl

u/Nevereatcars [+1] The Greatest Is Behind (3 days later)

/u/trollabot eaturbrainz

u/TrollaBot [+1] (3 days later)

Analyzing eaturbrainz

  • comments per month: 11.7

  • posts per month: 11.4

  • favorite sub philosophy

  • favorite words: you're, really, problem

  • age 7 years 1 months ^old ^man

  • profanity score 0.8% ^Gosh ^darnet ^gee ^wiz

  • trust score 67.7%

  • Fun facts about eaturbrainz

    • "I am suggesting that the definition of a formal system is indeed broader than you've allowed for."
    • "I've reduced it, therefore it's not real." This is very, very wrong."
    • "I've been reading Gregory Chaitin's Algorithmic Information Theory for the information-theoretic end of things."
    • "I'm a mod now."
    • "I've typed up in my free time, and the Condorcet-criterion-passing electoral system algorithms I've tested in Excel."
    • "I am asking for...a friend."
    • "I've never had a nightmare."
    • "I'm a fan of Peter Railton, the two Churchlands, and maybe I've read dribs and drabs of other stuff."
    • "I've seen in a while."
    • "I am up-to-date on this field."
    • "I am Voldemort" T-shirt, I'm starting to wonder."

u/TrollaBot [+1] (3 days later)

Analyzing eaglejarl

  • comments per month: 58.8 ^I ^have ^an ^opinion ^on ^everything

  • posts per month: 5.8

  • favorite sub rational

  • favorite words: really, you're, pretty

  • age 1 years 5 months

  • profanity score 0.4% ^Gosh ^darnet ^gee ^wiz

  • trust score 74.4%

  • Fun facts about eaglejarl

    • "I've been focusing more on for-sale stuff, but I'd like to try to get back to longer chapters again."
    • "I've been through all those links now and have taken copious notes."
    • "I've become much more meta-aware about what I read and watch."
    • "I've had some interesting ideas about animisim; between them and the idea of totem animals I can think of a lot of cool places to go."
    • "I've been pretty unproductive today or it would be done already."
    • "I've lost the whole thing, damnit!" I am very sorry that you've had to make that second one."
    • "I've read every Sandman-related thing there is."
    • "I've read Sandman up through The Wake which AFAIK is the end."
    • "I've always found the afterlife as a concept to be really interesting."
    • "I am amazed that you read the entire thing in one night -- was this after it was finished, at 350k words?"
    • "I've said that I will do it."

u/TrollaBot [+1] (3 days later)

Analyzing alexanderwales

  • comments per month: 16.4 ^I ^help!

  • posts per month: 4.6

  • favorite sub rational

  • favorite words: really, you're, those

  • age 5 years 1 months ^old ^man

  • profanity score 0.4% ^Gosh ^darnet ^gee ^wiz

  • trust score 61.1%

  • Fun facts about alexanderwales

    • "I am from modern civilization."
    • "I've been looking for a gun and some ammo."
    • "I've never used Automod before; that's pretty cool."
    • "I've seen the scholars at /r/asoiaf try, but it's all mostly guesswork."
    • "I've taken to peppering my writing with TODO statements instead of stopping to look for something."
    • "I am not a clever man."
    • "I've ever heard of the game having credits."
    • "I've seen enough people arguing for CelestAI as a hero to know that opinion isn't universal."
    • "I'm a mod now."
    • "I've just been working at shitty places, but every large company that I've contracted with has had terrible security."
    • "I've really been craving a "wacky" mode type thing."

u/TrollaBot [+1] (3 days later)

Analyzing nevereatcars

  • comments per month: 114.3 ^I ^have ^an ^opinion ^on ^everything

  • posts per month: 7.8

  • favorite sub HPMOR

  • favorite words: you're, pretty, pretty

  • age 0 years 6 months

  • profanity score 0.8% ^Gosh ^darnet ^gee ^wiz

  • trust score 108.2% ^tell ^them ^your ^secrets!

  • Fun facts about nevereatcars

    • "I am too tired to build hypotheses on this ground."
    • "I've had great success using the "sunscreen" item to negate the "summer sun" AoE."
    • "I've got you on slicers now; I just didn't connect the term and the program."
    • "I've got an uncle who does computer modelling that would help me understand the basics."
    • "I've been building for Anthony Carver over at Gunnerkrigg Court is now primed to be fired at AltCallie now."
    • "I've killed somebody."
    • "I am undone."
    • "I am unique."
    • "I am almost certain that this actually happens at some point in the anime."
    • "I've never seen a "not sure why you're getting downvoted" message beneath a comment that had negative karma."
    • "I've done that I'll be landing right next to you ;) Fly Safe!"

u/QWieke [+5] (5 hours later)

I'd do what I'd do in any "you have proof of the supernatural" scenario, namely head over to the local university and try to show this proof to some scientists. I could use the help trying to figure out how it works exactly and what to do with it. Plus science apparently has missed some pretty big things, who know what kind of benefits that might reap?

Edit: Scratch all that, I'd first get 1 million dollars from James Randi, then approach the scientists.

u/callmebrotherg [+6] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (11 hours later)

"Go to James Randi" has to be part of most any plan to take advantage of the supernatural. :)

u/None [+2] (2 hours later)

I make fortune by getting the dead to tell their final wishes and add changes to inheritance.

u/psychothumbs [+2] (8 hours later)

If you don't undo the effect within sixty seconds, something with "equivalent life value" dies somewhere else, generally nearby. This doesn't stay within species lines, but you also don't have any control over it, so whether the cost is paid by a human or something else seems to be random.

I think from what we see bringing a human back always costs a human life, presumably meaning that humans have a substantially higher (or at least different) life value from other animals.

u/Geminii27 [+1] (12 hours later)

I'd want to experiment to see if the substitution has to be from a single body, ie would it be possible to bring back a human for the cost of two chimpanzees, or two dolphins, or a pack of dogs, or an entire aviary of birds? Does a human in a coma count? A human with fatal injuries? With terminal cancer?

u/psychothumbs [+1] (16 hours later)

This looks like a job for mad science!

u/Geminii27 [+2] (12 hours later)

Would you offer any military the service of creating unkillable undead supersoldiers, for a suitably high price?

What if another military heard about you? Would they attempt to capture or kill you? Are you a load-bearing boss, in that killing you would also remove the animating force from all the undead you created?

u/callmebrotherg [+1] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (12 hours later)

I would not do that, personally. "Creating unkillable undead supersoldiers" seems to be an incredibly horrendous idea no matter which military I am doing it for.

u/Geminii27 [+2] (12 hours later)

Create one for a billion dollars, say they need medical checkups every three months, after one year kill them and disappear?

u/callmebrotherg [+1] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (13 hours later)

Maybe. But I'd have to think long and hard about it first.

u/eaglejarl [+1] (15 hours later)

There's a pair of ethical questions here.

  1. Do you have an obligation to bring people back from the dead?
  2. Is it murder if you undo your resurrection?

For point #1, assume that you need to sacrifice a human (as opposed to a cageful of rats) in order to resurrect someone. Don't you gain utilons by sacrificing a dead-row mass-murder for a Nobel-prize-winning life extension expert?

For point #2, you have a living sapient being and you are taking away their life. Furthermore, you sacrificed someone to bring them back in the first place, which means undoing your resurrection is actually killing two people.

u/None [+1] (a day later)

Immortal army. You can do it in enemy territory to be even more effective. ^^