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[META] LessWrong Diaspora Survey 2016
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Author: u/Transfuturist Carthago delenda est.*
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URL: https://www.fortforecast.com/limesurvey/index.php/554193?lang=en
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Score: 10
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Created: 2016-03-27T00:58:59
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u/None [+7] (2 days later)
- Would you consider working for the Machine Intelligence Research Institute?
- Do you think you're trustworthy enough not to let an AI out of the box?
OH HEY LOOK /u/Transfuturist, I FOUND THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OBVIOUS TRAPS.
u/Transfuturist [+2] Carthago delenda est. (2 days later)
How is the first one a trap? xD
u/None [+3] (2 days later)
Well, you'll start getting emails asking about how you are with moving to Berkeley.
But mostly it's a trap in combination with the second one. The only way to win is working for them when you believe you could be tricked. Saying you're untrickable is the trap.
:-p
u/Transfuturist [+2] Carthago delenda est. (2 days later)
Right now, I am 100000% alright with moving to Berkeley.
And yeah, the second one, obviously. It's kind of funny how obvious it is. Almost as if it were a distraction for several less obvious traps...
u/None [+1] (2 days later)
Well I'm not sure the survey writer was coordinating with anyone to lay traps. But still.
u/Transfuturist [+4] Carthago delenda est. (45 seconds later)
For those of you with LW accounts, visit this thread after taking the survey for a karma shower. Post here as well.
u/b_sen [+7] (5 hours later)
I took the survey!
u/blazinghand [+5] Chaos Undivided (a day later)
Although not really my cup of tea, I found the survey interesting. I learned something when I was asked to answer this question:
##With which of these meta-ethical views do you MOST identify?
Non-cognitivism: Moral statements don't express propositions and can neither be true nor false. "Murder is wrong" means something like "Boo murder!".
Error theory: Moral statements have a truth-value, but attempt to describe features of the world that don't exist. "Murder is wrong" and "Murder is right" are both false statements because moral rightness and wrongness aren't features that exist.
Subjectivism: Some moral statements are true, but not universally, and the truth of a moral statement is determined by non-universal opinions or prescriptions, and there is no non-attitudinal determinant of rightness and wrongness. "Murder is wrong" means something like "My culture has judged murder to be wrong" or "I've judged murder to be wrong".
Substantive realism: Some moral statements are true, and the truth of a moral statement is determined by mind-independent moral properties. "Murder is wrong" means that murder has an objective mind-independent property of wrongness that we discover by empirical investigation, intuition, or some other method.
Constructivism: Some moral statements are true, and the truth of a moral statement is determined by whether an agent would accept it if they were undergoing a process of rational deliberation. "Murder is wrong" can mean something like "Societal agreement to the rule 'do not murder' is instrumentally rational".
I guess I've never really thought in depth about meta-ethical views. I had an opportunity to think about how I thought today.
u/Transfuturist [+1] Carthago delenda est. (2 days later)
I found it strange that I couldn't select both constructivism and subjectivism. Or that non-cognitivism and error theory cannot be expressed as both true and that they should be tabooed to form subjectivist statements.
u/None [+0] (2 days later)
Ahahahaha
>implying constructivism even makes sense without an underlying substantive realism about interests and goals
u/GaBeRockKing [+1] Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857 (2 days later)
implying morality even matters beyond getting other people to do what you want.
I'm not a utilitarian because I genuinely feel like helping everyone (I mean, I do, a little bit) but because it's the practical equivalent of getting someone to pick "cooperate" in the prisoner's dilemma because it's superior in the long run, since they know other people would act similarly.
u/None [+2] (2 days later)
implying morality even matters beyond getting other people to do what you want.
Well duh? The point of being moral is for me to do the right thing, not to control everyone else's choices.
u/Anderkent [+1] (8 days later)
The point of morality is to promote decisions that benefit every member of the group that is establishing the moral rules. In that way the entire point is to influence other people's choices. A morality that only influences your actions is useless.
u/2BR02B [+3] Marxist-Lurianism (3 hours later)
Omigod that was long.
u/literal-hitler [+2] (15 hours later)
It is a rather gross amount of questions.
u/Transfuturist [+3] Carthago delenda est. (15 hours later)
Hm. Maybe I'm just pathologically suited to answering long sequences of questions.
u/b_sen [+1] (17 hours later)
Or just used to detailed surveys and understanding why all those questions are being asked.
u/SkeevePlowse [+1] (16 hours later)
Question: on the calibration questions it says to answer in percentages, and then asks pairs of question; a question, and then my subjective probability. How should I be answering these questions? Should I be answering mentally, giving my probability of how certain I am, and then my probability of how certain that probability is? Or should I answer the question and then give my probability of how certain I am?
Example 1: Am I smiling? (I'm not): 99
Subjective Probability: 99
Example 2: Am I smiling? (I'm not): No
Subjective Probability: 99
u/b_sen [+2] (17 hours later)
The second one. (An obvious part of the data analysis would be to check if your answers were actually right, which requires said answers.)
u/SkeevePlowse [+1] (17 hours later)
Yeah, I figured as much, but then there was the security question asking me to only answer in percentages, so I figured it was pretty low-cost to ask. Thanks.
u/Transfuturist [+2] Carthago delenda est. (18 hours later)
Example 2.
u/None [+0] (18 hours later)
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u/SkeevePlowse [+3] (18 hours later)
I don't see why that's necessarily the case. I've been called out by people I trust for having weird facial expressions I didn't realize I was making. It's possible, at least for me, to be smiling and not know it.
u/TimTravel [+1] (11 days later)
Where/when will the results be posted?
u/Transfuturist [+1] Carthago delenda est. (11 days later)
shrog
On LW. Ask one of the coordinators for the survey about when, you should be able to find them on the thread.
u/None [-4] (a day later)
OK, this is going to bug me if I don't bring it up:
Quesiton 4: "What sex were you assigned at birth?" is a stupid question.
You were not assigned a sex at birth. There was no choice. You developed with XX or XY chromosomes.
Now, GENDER is something that we can argue all day about, and people do fall on a spectrum of gender behaviours, but Sex is yes/no, Male/Female.
You were not assigned your M/F operator at birth, you were literally born in configuration M / configuration F.
u/Transfuturist [+2] Carthago delenda est. (2 days later)
It is not a stupid question. For one thing, it determines your socialized gender with extreme accuracy, and for another thing, intersex people exist and sex characteristics are not wholly determined by chromosomes (if you do not know what SRY means you are unqualified to talk about biological sex with 0.9999 likelihood), nor do they fall into a binary.
u/None [-3] (2 days later)
You want to get off that high horse? It seems to be digging into your ass.
Sex determining region Y, typically found on the Y chromosome, part of the protein binding process that helps determine if you get male or female sexual organs, and the malformation of the gene can cause syndromes where the organism has a typically male or female karyotype but the opposite genitals.
Since sexual characteristics play such a large part in the development of the brain (due in no small part to hormonal release), your sex is still determined by your plumbing, while your gender is a spectrum with traditionally masculine elements on one side and traditional female elements on the other.
Still a stupid question.
u/Transfuturist [+0] Carthago delenda est. (2 days later)
u/None [-1] (2 days later)
Wrong kind of horse.
Also, what, exactly, does this have to do with the conversation?
u/Transfuturist [+1] Carthago delenda est. (2 days later)
You made it pretty clear that there wasn't one. I just wanted to make that joke.
u/None [+2] (2 days later)
This was an ignorant comment, but instead of removing it as the reporter wanted, I'm going to leave it around as an example of how to be ignorant.
u/None [+3] (2 days later)
This is a self-righteous comment. I'd ask you to remove it, but I feel all would benefit if it was left as an example if how to be self-righteous.
Where do you get off on moderating a "rational" subreddit, and still resorting to simple-minded ad hominum attacks?
If you have an issue with my statement, fucking refute it. With like, facts. Don't just climb onto your high horse and go "ohohoho, look at those people who disagree with my opinion. Quaint savages, aren't they?"
How in the nine hells do you expect us to have a reasoned conversation like this?
u/None [+1] (2 days later)
You want to have a reasoned conversation, talk to someone who's actually intersex, not me.
u/None [+7] (2 days later)
If you have nothing to say and no desire to discuss, why bother weighing in at all?
u/FeepingCreature [+1] GCV Literally The Entire Culture (2 days later)
You're forgetting about people who are intersex. That said, just read "assigned" as "by the state".
u/ajuc [+1] (2 days later)
There was no choice. You developed with XX or XY chromosomes.
http://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX – Most common form of female
XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY – Most common form of male
XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
You can also have different DNA in different body parts.
And even with same DNA and no "strange" mutations you can develop different genitalia and different body plan (ans obviously - different sexual orientation and gender identification) depending on various factors (like hormones level, and different sensitivity of fetus to these hormones).
u/None [+1] (2 days later)
If XX and XY are the "most common" specimens, and the rest occur at a rate no lower then 1 in 500, going as high as 1 in 50,000, I would argue that at that point you can classify XX/XY as the norm, and the rest as aberrant variants of.
Having different genitalia from what your hormones say you should is a well-studied phenomena - it's referred to as "gender dysphoria" and is considered a condition to be treated, not a "well, sucks for you, weird gene person".
I don't see the relevance of bringing up differently-DNA body parts for this discussion. I was under the impression that, when we say (X)'s DNA, we mean "the majority of X's DNA sequence". Please clarify how this datum is related.
u/ajuc [+1] (2 days later)
Please clarify how this datum is related.
My point was - there's no obiovus way to define biological sex for corner cases, and no reason to throw away data from them.
That's why "what sex you were assigned" is IMHO a more reasonable question, than alternatives trying to strictly define biological sex.
u/None [+2] (2 days later)
there's no obiovus way to define biological sex for corner cases, and no reason to throw away data from them.
Functioning genitals are a pretty good indicator of X/Y, but I can see your point for intersex "ain't got anything that works" cases.
I would argue against labeling it as "assigned", because "assigned" both indicates the intentional removal of agency (I hereby assign you to be [thing]), as well as implying there was a choice in your biological makeup (which is currently untrue, though it may be true later when gene editing can be done to developing fetuses for designer babies).
I would say that a properly worded question 4 would be "Which biological sex were you identified as at birth?", because that's literally what happens when you come out of the hole; a doctor picks you up, checks the plumbing, and announces "It's a boy/girl/totadile!"