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This is a naruto SI where the SI had no chakra. He does however have extensive engineering knowledge. My engineering knowledge is not that extensive so I will be doing a lot of looking up and will appreciate any help you guys can give me. This is a quest so I will appreciate an help.
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Author: u/thefreegod *
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URL: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/naruto-si-a-quest-in-engineering.28052/
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Score: 11
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Created: 2016-04-10T18:19:53
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u/GaBeRockKing [+17] Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857 (4 hours later)
Without chakra, your SI is dead. If he actually gets anywhere, it's trivial to assassinate him via gank. Enemy villages will act proactively to take out threats if they need to.
u/Aabcehmu112358 [+5] Utter Fallacy (a day later)
Without chakra, though, the SI will never actually possess enough personal power to be a threat on there own.
Yes, if any of the ninja villages felt like it, they could kill the insert with a literal flick of a finger. But why would they want waste something as valuable as a skilled engineer, when they could steal the insert instead? The same lack of personal power that makes them easy to kill makes them easy (though admittedly not to the same degree) to hold captive, and while the OP has clarified in-thread that the insert's chakra-less nature makes them basically immune genjutsu, there are still plenty of other ways of getting the insert to be productive.
u/Jakkubus [+4] (4 days later)
Because said engineer may somehow threat status quo, which is rather beneficial for shinobi. Also even though Orochimaru was a kind of "genius engineer", villages weren't killing each other for his services.
u/None [+10] (8 hours later)
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u/Nevereatcars [+6] The Greatest Is Behind (11 hours later)
/u/eaglejarl could probably link you to one of the many rants he's done on the subject of Naruto's tech level.
u/blazinghand [+9] Chaos Undivided (14 hours later)
The very basics of it is probably:
Technology is a lot more interrelated than people think. Kishimoto wants radios and TVs but no guns, etc, even though it's pretty hard to have a scientific community that has figured out CRTs, EM radiation, and AC power but not gunpowder. This is in the same sense that it's hard to have a scientific community that has figured out microelectronics without understanding electricity. A lot of science, particularly chemistry, materials science, physics, and engineering, is really interrelated and builds on itself.
Naruto has cell phones, computers, TVs, and, hilariously, satellites. Gunpowder (and combustion engines, and transistors...) clearly must exist, if not because of the microelectronics, at least because of the satellites that were launched into orbit using technology which PROBABLY involved complex understanding of chemistry, combustion, aerodynamics, materials science... But, gunpowder doesn't exist in the anime somehow. This is just handwaved away by Kishimoto.
This is fine if your goal is to create some anime that's just about fighting and ninja techniques and not worry about that stuff. It's not the point of the anime. But if you explicitly decide to write a Naruto fanfic with coherent technological worldbuilding, you need to address this somehow. An AU with lower tech levels is one way to do it, and pretty simple. I would just go with that and not worry about it.
u/None [+2] (a day later)
Why would ninja ever use gunpowder when they can throw kunai faster than bullets? When they could probably get shot by bullets or hit by explosions (ninja survive fireballs, massive blunt force impact, getting hit into and through trees and walls, etc.) And survive.
Nuclear weapons, true, are a game changer and lethal for all ninja but some s-rank, but modern day bombs and bullets don't seem too valuable.
u/Kishoto [+3] (2 days later)
Ninja can't throw kunai faster than bullets. Most ninja anyway (I'm specifically thinking about the Raikage here, since he claims his speed is practically on par with lightning). The force required to throw a kunai like that would easily dislocate/break/tear off your arm. (The average bullet travels about 1700mph)
Modern day bullets are a game changer for the same reason real guns were. They allowed armies to form up much easier and much more reliably. It took someone of skill and proper build years to learn how to properly utilize a sword and a shield. It would take much less time for someone to get passably good with a gun. Which would give them range, meaning they had an advantage over non-gun wielding armies. The samurai don't utilize chakra in and of themselves, but are a potent neutral force in the Naruto world, showing that it's possible to stand back against the chakra wielders with proper innovation and preparation. Hence guns.
Modern day bombs, I can agree that most ninja seem fast enough to make them trivial. They'd detect the trap, or hear the trigger for it, or a thousand and one other things. They'd see the grenade and move. So, in battle, bombs probably aren't all that useful.
Gunpowder is also necessary for things like designing rockets and whatnot. It's a building block towards more advanced forms of combustion (?) technology.
But to be completely honest, this is all the most conjecture and bullshit. Since we see ninjas (properly powerful ones) survive things that should mean a knife is meaningless against them but oh well ANIME MAGIC AHOY!
TL;DR: Naruto =/= logically consistent. Problem?
u/None [+1] (2 days later)
Samurai don't use ninjutsu (they just channel it into swords) but given that they can keep up with super humanly fast and strong and durable ninja, can obviously use chakra to reinforce themselves.
I agree Naruto is somewhat inconsistent, but its power levels are somewhat more consistent than Kishimoto is usually given credit for. Looked at carefully, for instance, Part 1 has some hilarious feats even for genin-- Naruto taking down the giant snake, Sasuke's fireballs, Lee's speed, Gaara's large scale attacks, etc.
u/Kishoto [+3] (2 days later)
I don't understand how you're using examples of genins having inconsistent power levels to justify that Kishimoto's power leveling is consistent.
I agree that he isn't nearly as bad as other series, he generally gives age/experience the credit it deserves, at least in Part 1. But the power creep after that was nothing short of erroneous at best
Naruto's power leveling made lots of sense to me in part 1. I think Kishi did a great job there. But Shippuden threw a lot of that straight out of the window, especially towards the latter parts. Training and experience was exchanged for crazy ass powers/bloodlines/bijuu transformations. And one thing in particular that sticks in my craw is Sasukes chakra capacity. It's made clear time and time again that mangekyo techniques are very expensive yet Sasuke will spam and spam them away without a care in the world. He'll match Naruto's chakra output time and again, a ninja with a built in nigh-infinite chakra battery. What the Hell
HeroKishimoto!
u/Faust91x [+1] Iteration X (21 hours later)
I think maybe they can explain it the same way Avatar: the Legend of Korra does and use chakra explanations for why they have that technology. Maybe there're summons or spirits taking care of the components in the satellites and transmitting signals, maybe they use some kind of magical connection to transmit data and the cellphones casing are just a convenient way to carry the seals.
Maybe the satellites were propelled to space using some jutsu to launch them and keep them there (although how they would understand gravity enough to know they'll remain in the atmosphere escapes me).
As you said there's plenty to criticize in Naruto and lots of things don't add up.
u/eaglejarl [+3] (2 days later)
There's one at the bottom of this page.
u/LeonCross [+2] (a day later)
Given you're looking at large building level dc Genin with two digit mach at the end of part one (discounting Summons who can hit town level DC) up to moon busting levels at the end of part two / post time skip, you have to nerf the piss out of the Naruto world unless the engineer is making magitech using "Chakra" as a power source.
u/None [+1] (a day later)
Agreed, though the Genin in question are Naruo, Sasuke, and other Rookie 9 ninja that are the best Genin...they're probably closer to Chunin or even Jonin than most Genin.