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[RT][FF][WIP]: Batman tackling his problems rationally. A reason why the Joker isn't murdered by everybody for being an irrational stabbing-machine. All Gotham's monsters have a point of origin, instead of random disparate backstories.
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Author: u/Michaeljaygabriel *
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URL: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12275245/1/Batman-Extinction-Burst
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Score: 36
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Created: 2017-07-02T23:13:48
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u/ToaKraka [+15] https://i.imgur.com/OQGHleQ.png (41 minutes later)
The script format is forbidden by FanFiction.net's rules. You should delete this story (or post it elsewhere) before the FFN moderators delete it for you.
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+8] (an hour later)
Oh shoot. Thanks, you're right. Since I only have two chapters in that format I'll just transpose them into something acceptable.
Any advice on the best way to transfer a scene of play-written dialogue into a book scene?
u/TwoxMachina [+10] (15 hours later)
Hmm, easiest but most awkward would be to add ["", X said] for every sentence. Pop some internal thoughts etc.
Converting in truth, you need to add scene descriptions etc.
No reason why you shouldn't just rehost tho.
u/eaglejarl [+8] (a day later)
It's true that it's against the rules but it doesn't seem like the mods care much. I've had multiple script-form stories up there for about six years now and nary a peep.
Honestly, my impression is that the site is running on autopilot. I don't think there's much moderation and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of new code development. (Then again, I haven't been interacting regularly for a while now, so maybe I've missed something.)
u/None [+3] (3 days later)
I enjoyed their mobile app. Although, that may have been developed by somebody else.
u/callmebrotherg [+10] now posting as /u/callmesalticidae (an hour later)
This is a lot better than I was expecting it to be. I suggest describing the definition of an extinction burst in the story summary so that people know that you're referencing a psychology term rather than trying to make your story sound cool. That was the impression that I'd gotten, personally, and it was almost enough to turn me away.
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+2] (2 hours later)
Excellent point!
u/MrCogmor [+5] (3 days later)
Author's Note: Extinction burst refers to the concept of eliminating a behavior by refusing to reinforce it.
Not quite. That is just extinction. Extinction burst is a specific phenomenon where when the reinforcement is removed the occurrence of the behaviour will decline until a surge in behaviour occurs (the so called extinction burst). If no reinforcement is provided for the surge then the behaviour soon reaches near-complete extinction.
Lets say a kid throws tantrums in order to get candy from his/her parents. The parents decide they have had enough and won't give the kid candy when the kid throws tantrums. Throwing tantrums is the behaviour, getting candy is the reinforcer for the kid. When the kid no longer gets candy for the tantrums the behaviour will become less common until the kid decides to throw a super tantrum (The extinction burst) in case just trying harder will work. If that doesn't work then the kid will give up (The behaviour will become extinct). If it does then the kid will keep doing the behaviour
http://www.greenmountaindaily.com/2011/03/12/the-extinction-burst/
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+8] (a minute later)
(My first time posting in this sub. Apologies if I did it wrong.)
Any and all criticism of the story needed and appreciated!
u/None [+6] (5 hours later)
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u/Michaeljaygabriel [+7] (a day later)
The two different aspects are less different psyches than identifiers for the man's use. Like an undercover agent or an actor, he splits the references within himself so as not to ever slip.
Your general concept I'm planning to address in an upcoming arc.
u/mycroftxxx42 [+3] (a day later)
I am looking forward to that. I think I understand where you're coming from, as well, Batman and Bruce Wayne are like much-better-realized versions of the different Harry's from HPMOR rather than like Harry and his "Dark Side", yes?
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+4] (a day later)
Not exactly, since Batman crafted the Bruce Wayne persona, instead of it being imprinted on by someone else. Each side knows the other's purpose and utility.
I look at Batman removing his mask on top of the GCPD as an act of melding between the two aspects, giving leeway for a Bruce to become heroic.
u/Ardvarkeating101 [+6] Father of Learning (2 hours later)
Haven't finished so far but shaping up to be really good.
edit: Holy shit you're a deconstructor fleet that walks like a man!
Please update!
u/DaystarEld [+6] Pokémon Professor (a day later)
Very well done! Definitely going to be reading more of this :) Two quick notes you may already be aware of:
"What kind of therapist would say that shit?" "Not a good one; never during a session."
You might be surprised :) Usually it would require a good rapport between the client and therapist first, but that kind of blunt borderline-insulting honesty is a tool like any other in the therapist's toolkit, and I've used it to great effect, particularly with younger clients who appreciate someone calling them on their shit in a humorous way. A response he might give instead is:
"Never during a first session. But we're already friends, so I don't have to wait to build rapport, and we've already decided this isn't a therapy session, so I can be honest and direct without having to spend time building trust. And, honestly, I can see through your bullshit."
"Just because the reinforcement is negative, doesn't mean it's not reinforcement."
From a technical standpoint, "reinforcement" is the correct word here because it's encouraging behavior, but "negative" is not: Negative reinforcement does not refer to introducing things that are unpleasant, it refers to taking away things that are unpleasant, which is what makes it a reinforcement. In either case, because of the Joker's particular perspective, if he's being described as someone who seeks attention, even in the form of Batman's fists, then Bruce punishing him is positive reinforcement because he's giving him what he wants: to withhold that attention would in fact be a punishment, specifically a Negative Punishment, which is the technical term for "removing a thing that is desired."
It's a bit confusing even for psychologists sometimes, but the rule of thumb is that "Reinforcement" and "Punishment" refer to the thing being desired or not by the person, and "Positive" and "Negative" refer to the action being introduced or taken away. A simple fix to this would to just change the line to:
"Just because the reinforcement is something we'd normally consider harmful, doesn't mean it's not reinforcement."
Again, great chapter, looking forward to reading the rest!
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+2] (a day later)
Thanks for the notes!
The line about John not saying that is a line I adapted from a therapist roommate I had who would say stuff like that when I teased him about being a 'bad therapist.' (The joke was me being ironic. I'm sure you've gotten the thing where people assume you're treating every human interaction like it's a session, and they act surprised when you say something biting). But you have a good point. I don't think John would "never" say that in a session. In fact, I think the line may be contradictory to things the character later says.
I was aware of the negative thing. Since Bruce is not a psychologist, he would only be familiar with the common vernacular usage of negative reinforcement. Plus, the sentiment still makes sense, since the reinforcement is literally "negative," ie, not conducive.
Again, I agree with your note. The way it is now is too confusing, and John probably wouldn't think to use the common usage. And it's a case where it sounds like I'm wrong to people like you who know the real terminology that John would know.
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor (a day later)
I'm sure you've gotten the thing where people assume you're treating every human interaction like it's a session, and they act surprised when you say something biting).
Oh yeah, particularly from my parents XD
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+2] (a day later)
Oh! Just realized who you are. My cousin was highly recommending Origin of Species to me, so it's been on my reading queue. I'm going to start reading it now :)
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor (2 days later)
Cool, I hope you like it!
u/rationalidurr [+3] If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! (a day later)
YEH! This good! Minor spelling/grammar issues here and there, but otherwise written as what writer intends on saying.
How did Fear Gas counter the arcane? That part could use a bit more explanation and detail, either that or I missed something.
As far as the entire story is concerned I get what you're going for, aiming for Deconstruct with character behavior focus. It can be great, so long as you update and give actual resolutions, in a sense that characters end up different characters than their comic originals.
I will say I am not a fan of what happened to Moth man, would prefer the OG version of a guy fighting in a moth costume. I mean thats just so awesome not to have in a book! Who knows maybe someone else takes up the mantle as a legacy?
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+4] (a day later)
Thanks for the feedback!
So far it's simply not explained yet why the fear gas trumped the "arcane," as Batman himself doesn't know why. But I might want to add the fact that Batman is confused, rather than just lack the information altogether.
u/vallar57 [+1] Unseen University: Faculty of High-Energy Magic (8 days later)
6 chapters in, but I still don't understand the reason why not simply shoot the Joker. Sure, the Joker is heading towards the burst. But is it worth lives lost in the process?
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+3] (9 days later)
It probably isn't worth it.
Batman is still a flawed person who's priorities might not always be for the the greater good.
u/vallar57 [+1] Unseen University: Faculty of High-Energy Magic (10 days later)
Would you like a bit of a rant on why I think batman is doing almost everything wrong, even in this fic? I know such rants could be annoying.
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+1] (10 days later)
Go for it.
u/vallar57 [+2] Unseen University: Faculty of High-Energy Magic (10 days later)
What is batman's superpower? He's rich. His prowess as a superhero comes from a) his martial arts training and b) his ultra high-tech costume.
First, costume. The cost of such things is mostly R&D. Once it is developed, it's possible to produce them.
Second, martial arts. He trained for about 15 years, which is long, sure, but there are plenty of people who train more. And people in army/police special ops teams are among them.
So here is the thing. Instead of going vigilante, he should have funded a creation of a special police force, and then equipped them with his costumes. At the same time, Bruce would have more time for developing even better varians of the armor. Moreover, being police, they wouldn't have to face the complications of vigilantism. And one of them could actually shoot Joker for, you know, resisting arrest.
Such a ploy would never work in a comic - this force would be essentially an elite mook squad, good only for being slaughtered. But we are talking rational here, and there is no doubt that a hundred professional batmans would be miles beter than a single one who does it as a glorified hobby.
u/razorsmileonreddit [+1] (13 days later)
A rational Batman wouldn't be Batman, he'd be Miranda Zero.
u/Michaeljaygabriel [+1] (14 days later)
I'm not too familiar. Is that Global Frequency worth a read?
u/razorsmileonreddit [+1] (17 days later)
Very much so. Real world tech caught up to the awesome Global Frequency phones but other than that? A damn fine series.
u/wren42 [+1] (16 days later)
Story is good and interesting so far, though in need of some copy editing.