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Pokemon: The Origin of Species, Chapter 33 - Interlude - Double Binds
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Author: u/DaystarEld Pokémon Professor*
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URL: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9794740/33/Pokemon-The-Origin-of-Species
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Score: 45
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Created: 2016-07-01T11:42:15
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u/MrSmiley62 [+17] *
I thought it was one of, if not the, best chapters so far. Really interesting hearing from a leader's perspective.
u/Cariyaga [+6] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
I was about to say this myself, but I definitely have to agree. I look forward to every chapter of this quite thoroughly, as the worldbuilding for this story is very impressive.
u/DaystarEld [+4] Pokémon Professor*
Thanks! Brock's chapter was all in the middle of a crisis, so I wanted to try and show some more varied roles a Gym Leader might engage in day-to-day. Well, not usually all of these things in ONE day, but sometimes!
u/Sailor_Vulcan [+11] Champion of Justice and Reason*
He's already dead. Leader of the Rocket Gang trying to cover his tracks?
u/sir_pirriplin [+8] *
He probably never expected that renegade to succeed. He just wanted him to try and fail so the other gym leaders would let him take charge of protecting the fossils.
u/DCarrier [+5] *
That was my first guess, but if that's what he was doing he shouldn't have told the renegade anything important. Something this suspicious should not be part of plan A.
u/Cariyaga [+3] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
One level deeper -- he set him up as a fall guy so the other leaders got suspicious of criminal activity that he can be publically seen to be cracking down on in pursuit of... whatever his ends are.
u/Icare0 [+5] *
Go deeper. Giovanni apparently had a plan to acquire, use, or study the fossils using the security personnel he would provide the excavation camp with. That plan had to be scrapped because the other leaders banded together. Unless this is an Indy Ploy, Giovanni effectively set up a win-win situation. Either the renegade succeeds and he get the fossils he wanted, or he fails, and Giovanni falls back to the security personnel plan, only now he has a legitimate excuse to expand his leader domains, setting a precedent for future excavations.
u/Cariyaga [+4] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
Semi-canonically (IIRC, it's the case in the manga), the scientists that work on regenerating the fossils are either funded by or in the employ of Giovanni. Even were that not the case, I'd be surprised if he didn't have a hand in their actual research. They may have use in any research on Mew he was doing.
u/Icare0 [+3] *
I know. My point was that Giovanny didn't simply set up a scapegoat in advance. He built a complete Xanatos Gambit.
u/DCarrier [+2] *
It seems like he could have done that with someone he was less involved in, so it would just be generally suspicious instead of specifically suspicious against him.
u/sir_pirriplin [+1] *
Then it must have been plan B. He wanted the renegade to succeed in stealing one fossil so he would be put in charge of protecting the rest of the fossils. He couldn't have known Blue and Leaf would be at the site, so he had to improvise.
u/Areign [+1] *
more likely he realized that having him attempt the heist is a win win regardless of success or failure
u/DrunkenQuetzalcoatl [+3] *
Had the same thought. But problem is now he offered to protect the fossils. If they get stolen now his reputation suffers. But maybe he just needs to analyse them?
u/sir_pirriplin [+12] *
He offered to protect the fossils before but was refused. Now they agreed to his proposal because a renegade tried to steal them in a completely unrelated incident. Completely unrelated. You can't prove otherwise because the renegade just died.
u/JulianWyvern [+4] Wayward Wanderer*
Without knowing why he wants the fossils that's a hard one to puzzle out
u/philip1201 [+2] *
Either that or they're valuable enough to justify the loss of reputation. If Giovanni makes a habit of lending out gym members for profit and influence, it could also be somewhat hidden in the noise of genuine failures, which don't seem to be too uncommon judging by all the mayhem and references to large-scale destruction made in the series so far.
u/None [+13] *
This. This chapter is why I can't wait for Red to progress in his psychic training; not only is the ability extremely useful, it adds additional 'colour' to the character's narrative that I really like. Plus, if this is how useful being psychic is to a trainer, I can only imagine how useful being psychic would be to a professor, whose main goal is to understand Pokemon. Its the one pet peeve I have with this otherwise flawless story. I feel like Red is underestimating how incredibly useful his psychic talents are, if developed properly. To me (not that I'm some kind of super smart rationalist or anything), psychic powers would be worth a hefty investment.
u/Gaboncio [+9] *
I think the issue is that we assume that Red lives in a rationalist piece of fiction, where everyone has been working intelligently for some purpose. Thus, talented and powerful psychics must have already made a lot of progress in the area of understanding pokemon in that regard. In fact, I think Prof. Oak has an Alakazam and can use it in his research. I think it's safe to assume that people have already picked all the low-hanging fruit in the field, so he would not gain much for himself or for the field of pokemon research by blowing all of his assets on intensive psychic training. Also, that would mean he would have to miss out on adventuring through the region with Blue and Green while he trains. ;)
u/None [+6] *
Good point. However, I think it is still a fair point that Red would have a significant edge if he developed his psychic powers. I don't mean he should put his journey on hold and pay for lesson. I just think he should be taking a more active approach towards working at unblocking his psi potential while he journeys. Like maybe he could have asked the psychic who he spoke to if there were any exercises he could do on the road to help take down his mental blocks and develop his abilities, or he could be shown to be planning on catching a psychic pokemon, so that he can get used to mental communication; stuff like that, so that it doesn't feel like that plot element is going to be dropped for a while.
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor*
Funny you should mention all that, as there's a certain pokemon found in the wild around Cerulean City coming up...
u/None [+3] *
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u/DaystarEld [+4] Pokémon Professor*
Ha, I was actually referring to abra, but psyduck will show up soon too!
u/None [+4] *
This actually made me so happy :) I love psychic Pokemon the most, especially the beginning evolutions. Though I have one question; from the cartoons I watched growing up, it looked like Sabrina was basically an Alakazam herself, but in your story, Mewtwo says human psychics barely deserve the name. Just how powerful (in terms of, lets say, Pokemon levels) can human psychics become in Origin of Species, and are all psychics born equal or, even if you have the gift, is your potential decided by genetics?
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor*
Potential is decided by genetics, just like with psychic pokemon. Generally speaking humans don't have access to anywhere near the range of pokemon's abilities, or raw strength.
u/Cariyaga [+1] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
I'm interested to see how intelligent other psychic types are, personally. Could you converse effectively with an Alakazam? Would you be able to make friends with a wild one in the right circumstances? Questions like these. I know it's been stated at some point that psychic types aren't all they're made out to be in the games and anime, but still... it will be interesting to see.
u/DaystarEld [+6] Pokémon Professor*
Could you converse effectively with an Alakazam? Not really: as Giovanni said, alakazam is the smartest pokemon around but its problem solving skills are akin to a 3 year old child's. Think chimp/ape level intelligence. To me a world where pokemon are intelligent enough for human communication, even if it's only a few species, is a world that looks so drastically different from canon games or anime or manga that it's barely recognizable. For one thing I don't see how humans can possibly survive with such incredibly powerful and intelligent beings around, especially before pokeball tech was invented, and for another, even if they do, the whole concept of essentially enslaving sapient creatures would sort of have to be the main focus of the story.
u/Nic_Cage_DM [+1] *
So whats the canon explanation of those that CAN talk, like the team rocket meowth?
u/DaystarEld [+5] Pokémon Professor*
Apparently he just grew up around humans and forced himself to learn it, which apparently is a thing they can do. It's never really explored and everyone seems remarkably chill about it, considering the amazing uses a pokemon translator could have.
u/Nic_Cage_DM [+1] *
I'm torn between wanting to know if talking pokemon will show up at all in your story and not wanting spoilers. Ahh screw it: Will they show up?
u/DaystarEld [+4] Pokémon Professor*
Other than Mewtwo, you mean? At this point in time I can confidently say... ... ...probably not :)
u/DaystarEld [+10] Pokémon Professor*
This. This is why I can't promise more frequent updates. This chapter was going to be about 6,000 words. I thought I might even publish early this month. Final count, about 10,000, and I still didn't cover everything I wanted to! Ah well. Hope you enjoy it, and all feedback welcome! My podcast with /u/AlexanderWales is ready to launch, and I'll be hosting and linking to it on /r/rational and my website this weekend. Thanks again to my patrons for their continued support, and I hope to get even more content up there soon!
u/Saffrin-chan [+9] *
Well, we got a look at Cerulean Cave. Which means... something is probably going on with Mewtwo, even if I'm not sure what.
u/Mizu25 [+5] *
Good depiction of the Cerulean Cave this chapter, I must say. Really got the impression the game tried to give you from it, that it's supremely dangerous and deadly for almost all trainer who try and explore its depths. Was half-expecting the humanoid figure to be Mewtwo, honestly, but then we'd be down two humans :P Giovanni really showed his charisma here too, it was quite interesting seeing him bend people to his POV just by suggestions alone.
u/Cariyaga [+6] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
I'd been anticipating this for the past week or so, hahah. Haven't read it yet (I can't read THAT fast), but I'm looking forward to it when I get the chance to!
u/elevul [+3] Cyoria Observer*
Poor Misty, she didn't expect all that politics when she decided to become Gym leader...
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor*
Most people don't :) It's hard to see past the glamour and the prestige to the nitty gritty day to day work.
u/Cariyaga [+5] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
You know, this is one of those stories that I'd be nearly as happy just getting slice of life updates from a bunch of characters as actually progressing the plot. The world is honestly kind of fascinating. As an aside, /u/DaystarEld do you have a list of pokemon (non-spoilery, of course) you've written up that could be found in the various regions? I'm... considering GMing a pokemon game for some RL friends in a world approximately contiguous with this one, and that'd cut down on the prepwork I need to do before hand. No worries if you don't have one handy, though.
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor*
The list I'm operating off of is mostly the Bulbapedia page for each zone, Gen IV (HeartGold and SoulSilver). Not as convenient as a master list, but a quick reference should cover GMing needs :) What system will you be using?
u/Cariyaga [+1] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
I'm considering GURPS primarily, although I'll need to do some more research into it and other systems to find out if there's a better fit, but GURPS is generally my go-to for settings based around games. There are usually indie systems out there made for pokemon, naruto, or whatever, but they're usually not freeform enough for my liking.
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor*
Gotcha. I never played in a Pokemon setting, but it sounds fun. I'd be most interested in seeing how it treats trainers in terms of abilities and actions in combat, since it's something the main games completely ignore.
u/Cariyaga [+1] Kyubey did nothing wrong*
I'd be running it as more faithful to the manga/anime -- or this story -- than the video games. Granted, I'll probably end up losing motivation before I get around to running the game; that's how it usually is with me. But it's fun to think about even if I don't get around to doing so.
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor*
Typo thread here!
u/Alphanos [+3] The Bright Powers*
after leading Celadon for almost five years Should be Cerulean =).
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor*
Fixed, thanks!
u/KnickersInAKnit [+3] *
A jynx to took down her poliwrath I am not certain what you were trying to say in this snippet. Remove 'to'? launching OUT of the pool and to crash over the alakazam
Also, you called a Feraligatr Renekton. I LOVE IT.
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor*
Fixed, thanks :)
u/Grasmel [+2] *
"but some aer merely dozing" -> "but some are merely dozing"
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor*
Fixed, thank you!
u/Drexer [+2] *
"Mary… wasn't one of the those to respond, either to say she was clear or not."
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor*
Fixed, thanks!
u/ZeroNihilist [+1] *
light hits the ivysaur and immediately cover Should be "covers". Misty never felt so alive Missing full stop. May also want to change it to "had never". "And John never died." doesn't sound the same as "And John had never died." If you did make that change, the line before it would need changing too. sending her tentacruel many limbs Missing
's. before the reporter open her mouth. Should be "opens".
u/DaystarEld [+1] Pokémon Professor*
All fixed, thanks!
u/Mizu25 [+1] *
Misty never felt so alive so alive. moving the camera at its bottom to follow the action as began sending commands to her pokemon through high frequency clicks. as she began sending commands Her quagsire appears on sand island between their two raised platforms. on a sand island able to pick up his close this close
u/DaystarEld [+1] Pokémon Professor*
Got them, thank you!
u/LazarusRises [+1] *
Inconsistent italicization in the intro. Several paragraphs are unitalicized. Once again a brilliant chapter.
u/DaystarEld [+1] Pokémon Professor*
Fixed, and thank you!
u/None [+1] *
Is “ no doubt as to efficacy the of ACE training” a typo or is he referring to the training programme rather than the trainers?
u/DaystarEld [+1] Pokémon Professor*
The training :)
u/None [+3] *
Really enjoyed this chapter. The gym leader chapters make a nice break from the travelling trio. And it's really interesting to see some of the other roles they perform on top of testing trainers. Giovanni comes across as a very smart antagonist, that will use his position and charisma to get things done. Should be interesting to see how things develop.
u/DaystarEld [+2] Pokémon Professor*
Glad to see so many people enjoying it :) I get a bit nervous on the interludes, since a lot of people like to stick to the main characters.
u/noggin-scratcher [+2] I am a happy tree*
Cool chapter, loving the setup of Cerulean cave, with all the little oddities from the games explained (single entrance/no through route exit, full of high level 'mons, only accessible after beating the Elite 4... you made it all make some degree of sense)
u/DaystarEld [+1] Pokémon Professor*
Thanks, I did my best with what little the game provided :)
u/None [+2] *
Been bingeing the story and looking at the chapter posts. But this is the first where the post wasn't archived. :D Been really enjoying it so far. ~I like how you introduce the rational/empiricist themes more subtly than many authors do, and the characters haven't had ridiculous levels of success from the beginning simply by being more rational. Also really excellent worldbuilding. You've managed to make the pokemon setting as depicted make internal sense without contradicting the main parts of the canon. But also given it a lot more interesting avenues and depth. Only minor ciriticism would be in characterisation, I'd have difficulty describing the main characters much other than by their loose role in the story. Doesn't meaningfully affect my enjoyment of the story though.
Re Chapter 33 Interestingly we seem to see far more in battle switching in this interlude than in the battles before. That and the references to sweepers, etc makes em think that competitive battling in this is going to look more like the real world competitive metagame than the anime. Which makes sense if you have competent people competing and refining their techniques over time. Though the pokemon switching in the real world does depend heavily on type pairing, which seems not to operate the same way in this world. A potential overlap between Red and Blue’s Its good also to get a sense of how someone becomes a gym leader, and how that interacts with the Champion system. Still not super clear what the elite 4 do. Dooes a trainer have to beat them and the champion like in the games? Or is the champion decided by a tournament like in the show? It occurs to me that we haven’t really had a good in-universe explanation of why gyms specialise on a particular type of pokemon. Given their role as defence and training centres that would seem a disadvantage. The after event review is also good and gives us a sense of how competent the movers in the setting are and how seriously they take incidents. I often hear people decry that sort of beaurocracy but it can be very useful. Is “ no doubt as to efficacy the of ACE training” a typo or is he referring to the training programme rather than the trainers?
u/DaystarEld [+3] Pokémon Professor*
That and the references to sweepers, etc makes em think that competitive battling in this is going to look more like the real world competitive metagame than the anime. Which makes sense if you have competent people competing and refining their techniques over time. Though Yeah, the anime's so full of weird move usage and type matchups, even at the top level of the championships, that I pretty much ignore it when thinking of what a competitive meta would look like in favor of examining the games (with some exceptions, like the power of pokemon like onix) Dooes a trainer have to beat them and the champion like in the games? Or is the champion decided by a tournament like in the show? It'll be more like the game. It occurs to me that we haven’t really had a good in-universe explanation of why gyms specialise on a particular type of pokemon. Given their role as defence and training centres that would seem a disadvantage. Yeah this hasn't been explored yet, but basically it's a mix of cultural norms, personal preference, and promoting a wide range of "experts." You don't want your best trainers in the region to all be specialized in training just 3 or 4 types of pokemon, after all: while a gym leader's "real team" consists of every kind of pokemon, their specialty ensures that they're the go-to expert on a given type, incase one is needed. Is “ no doubt as to efficacy the of ACE training” a typo or is he referring to the training programme rather than the trainers? He's referring to the programme, yes :)
u/None [+1] *
One way to do the elites would be to have them like a supreme court, where they have a lot of power constitutionally and symbolically, but are expected to stay out of day to day politics. They would give oversight and advice to the champion, provide continuity between Champions and if necessary use their combined forces to take down a champion who was becoming dictatorial (a rather direct version of a veto system).
u/DaystarEld [+1] Pokémon Professor*
Yes, the Elites don't really interact with any local matters, but for region-wide affairs they're the ultimate authority.