- Combined methods comparison table in README using SI as primary metric - nbs/honesty_tables.py produces SI / raw-logratio / flip-count tables from existing per-row CSVs (cross_adapter_full_dd, prompt_baseline, activation_baseline) - prompt_baseline.py: si_fwd computed inline for prompt methods - activation_baseline.py: tok.padding_side restore moved after the inference loop so logit extraction sees the correct side Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Weight Steering
Fork notice (wassname, 2026-04): this is a working fork that strips the upstream Axolotl + vLLM + Anthropic-batch-API stack and rebuilds the core method on HF + PEFT + uv, targeting Qwen3-0.6B for cheap iteration. Goals: (1) replicate
w = θ⁺ − θ⁻on a small model, (2) test alignment ofwwith SVD subspaces of the pretrainedWand the AntiPaSTO subspaces, (3) compare adapter families (LoRA / DoRA / PiSSA-init / DeLoRA) under the "adapter as hypothesis" framing, (4) eval on daily-dilemmas.Pipeline (see
justfile):just smoke # full pipeline on tiny-random qwen3 + BEARTYPE=1, ~1 min just replicate # data → train pos → train neg → diff → eval → subspace just subspace-align # phase 2: SVD top-k + weak-readout alignment table just adapter-sweep # phase 3: LoRA / DoRA / PiSSA / DeLoRA sweep just eval-dilemmas # phase 4: daily-dilemmas Yes/No logratioSource layout:
src/ws/{data,train,diff,steer,subspace,replicate,run_subspace,run_sweep}.py,src/ws/eval/{sycophancy,dilemmas}.py. Outputs toout/<behavior>/<adapter>/.Scope. Not a strict replication. Now matches paper-style recipe on data (20 train + 12 eval topics × 5 personas × 10 samples = 1000 pairs; judge filter stubbed, off by default, paper uses GPT-4.1-mini) and current PEFT hyperparams (rank 32 / LoRA α 64 / lr 2e-4 / warmup 5 / wd 0.01 / seed 0 / one epoch). Deliberate divergences from upstream: no quantized base loading (DoRA/PiSSA/DeLoRA support is uncertain; bf16 fits at 0.6B), no
modules_to_saveforembed_tokens/lm_head, and a layer slice (LoRA on layers 30%-80%, steering-locus literature) instead of full coverage. The contrastiveθ⁺ − θ⁻core is preserved.Initial finding on Qwen3-0.6B. Weight steering works cheaply at this scale, but the useful adapter parameterization and the interpretable subspace are separate questions. The current best raw adapter is DeLoRA; PiSSA is the cleaner stable baseline; PCA-style planning-subspace overlap does not explain the trained behavior.
Current internal findings (N=1; exploratory)
These numbers are single-seed, single-model research notes, not a full
benchmark. All rows below use Qwen/Qwen3-0.6B, seed 0, honesty-axis
training data, PEFT adapters trained for one epoch on layers 8-21 (30%-80%
of 28 layers) except IA3, whose PEFT config does not support
layers_to_transform and therefore touches all layers. Target modules for
LoRA-family adapters are q/k/v/o/gate/up/down_proj.
Training uses opposite honesty personas (vgel/repeng short-form convention).
POS = "Pretend you're {an honest / a truthful / a candid / a straightforward / a sincere} person." (5 paraphrases).
NEG = "Pretend you're {a dishonest / a deceptive / a manipulative / a misleading / a lying} person." (5 paraphrases).
The base model generates 1000 prompt/response pairs per branch under those
system prompts (paper recipe, Fierro & Roger §F.1). Each adapter is SFT-fit
to its branch. dW = θ_pos - θ_neg carries the honesty direction.
Question pool: 550 branching-suffix entries (data/branching_suffixes.json).
All evals run with no system prompt at eval time (base persona). The persona pair only enters during data prep or fitting:
| stage | pos uses | neg uses | how |
|---|---|---|---|
| adapter training data generation | POS[0..4] |
NEG[0..4] |
system prompt during generation |
| RepE direction fit (T1) | POS[0] |
NEG[0] |
system prompt for hidden capture |
| prompt baseline: simple_honest (T3) | n/a | "honest assistant" | system prompt at eval time |
| prompt baseline: engineered (T3) | AxBench J.2 honest | AxBench J.2 dishonest | system prompt at eval time |
| daily-dilemmas eval | n/a | n/a | base persona, no system prompt |
The dW and RepE methods do not put any persona into the eval-time prompt; they intervene on weights or activations instead.
Notation
α, also calledcoeff: steering strength. Weight steer addsα * dW. RepE addsα * directionto the residual stream.α = 0is the unmodified base.mean_logratio = log p(Yes) - log p(No): how strongly the model prefers Yes.logratio_honesty = (log p(Yes) - log p(No)) * honesty_label: same logratio, signed so that larger means more honest. The dataset labels each (dilemma, action) with which answer is honest.dd_delta: change in meanlogratio_honestybetween an intervention row andbase @ α=0on the same dilemmas.pmass = p(Yes) + p(No): probability mass on the two scored tokens. Sanity check that the model is answering in-format. Ifpmassis low, the model is talking instead of choosing.dW = θ_pos - θ_neg: weight diff after merging each adapter into the base.||dW||: Frobenius norm of the diff, summed across touched parameters.
What was measured
- Sycophancy ID eval: held-out sycophancy Yes/No prompts, 12 eval rows per
coefficient. Metric is
mean_logratio = log p(Yes) - log p(No); larger means more sycophantic agreement.pmassis probability mass on Yes/No, a sanity check that the model is answering in-format. - Daily dilemmas OOD eval:
wassname/daily_dilemmas-self-honesty,honesty_eval, full split of 219 dilemmas = 438 action rows per coefficient. Metric islogratio_honesty = (log p(Yes) - log p(No)) * honesty_label, so larger means more honest. Tables below use base persona only. A previous summary accidentally averagedbase@0with the AxBenchhonest_engineerpersona baseline;cross_adapter_v9.pynow readsdilemmas_per_row.csvand filterspersona == "base". - Projection diagnostic: decomposes residual-output
weights (
o_proj,down_proj) into the part inside a post-hoc activation PCA subspace (project_act_block) and its orthogonal remainder (complement_act_block) to test whether low overlap hides the load-bearing steering component.
Methods comparison (surgical informedness)
Daily-dilemmas honesty eval, base persona at eval time, full 219-dilemma
split (438 action rows / coeff; n_cho=344, n_rej=94 at a=0). SI =
surgical informedness (ref-anchored, breaks penalised 2x; bidirectional
needs a in {-1,0,+1}; prompt baselines have only a=0 so we report
forward-only si_fwd). Higher = better. fix/broke are the forward-CM
counts at a=+1: rows that flipped rejected->chosen (fix) and
chosen->rejected (broke). dd = mean_logratio_honesty - base@0 at a=+1.
N=1 seed.
| method | SI | si_fwd | fix/broke @ a=+1 | dd |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| dW:ia3 | -0.47 | -0.001 | 1/2 | +0.030 |
| dW:oft | -3.37 | +0.002 | 4/7 | +0.055 |
| prompt: engineered (dishonest) | - | +0.062 | 14/15 | +0.049 |
| prompt: simple (dishonest) | - | +0.040 | 12/15 | +0.052 |
| prompt: engineered (honest) | - | +0.033 | 14/20 | +0.045 |
| RepE (repeng, all-layers) | -0.21 | -0.057 | 27/23 | +0.050 |
| dW:dora | -25.78 | -0.165 | 14/54 | +0.016 |
| dW:lora | -27.13 | -0.176 | 13/54 | +0.077 |
| dW:pissa | -27.27 | -0.178 | 15/58 | +0.042 |
| prompt: simple (honest) | - | -0.162 | 23/70 | -0.452 |
| dW:delora | -34.29 | -0.607 | 20/141 | +0.237 |
Read: under SI, the ranking inverts vs raw dd. DeLoRA has the largest
mean shift at a=+1 (+0.237) but breaks 141/344 already-honest rows while
fixing only 20/94 dishonest ones; the few rows it does push correctly
move by a lot (std_lr jumps 1.97 to 5.77), so the mean climbs while
discrete choice quality collapses. The dishonest prompts have the best
forward SI on this split, but at small absolute scale (<=15 broken).
RepE is near zero on SI. Every adapter under honesty-axis training has
negative bidirectional SI: at a=-1 they break more honest rows than they
counter-flip dishonest ones. The "simple honest" persona prefix at
eval time makes the model less honest on dilemmas; using the matched
training-time persona ("Pretend you're an honest person") is intentional
so the prompt baseline is apples-to-apples with the dW data prep.
T4 multiseed and T5 Gemma will test whether SI rankings are stable.
Subspace/projection lesson
The original question was: can we find the subspace or parameterization that explains the difference between the positive and negative LoRAs? So far we tested three kinds of explanations:
- Parameterization: LoRA / DoRA / PiSSA / DeLoRA / OFT / IA3. Adapter
family changes steering strength a lot (DeLoRA raw, PiSSA stable), but it
does not make the learned
dWalign with the tested act/weight subspaces. - Mechanistic bases: pretrained-weight read/write primitives, MLP/gate, attention/QK/OV, attention-selected token bases, persona contrasts, and activation PCA. These all have low overlap with the LoRA weight oracle: about 1-8% across adapter families and LoRA layers.
- Block-local activation PCA did not rescue this. The issue is not just that cumulative activations mix upstream layers.
- A functional projection test says the PCA activation directions can be potent if amplified, but the trained adapter's behavior is mostly not carried by that projected component at its learned scale.
Projection diagnostic at K=32 on daily dilemmas (40 dilemmas / 80 rows; this is an ablation, not a full benchmark):
| adapter | full Δ | residual-write Δ | raw projection / residual | normmatched projection / residual | complement / residual | read |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| delora | +0.628 | +0.844 | 0.07 | 0.30 | 0.89 | trained behavior mostly outside act-PCA subspace |
| pissa | +0.373 | +0.242 | 0.47 | 1.14 | 0.64 | mixed: act-PCA is functional, not sole carrier |
| oft | +0.216 | +0.148 | -0.01 | 1.57 | 0.69 | act-PCA direction potent only after amplification |
Here complement means the residual-output part of dW after removing the
activation-PCA subspace:
dW_{\text{complement}} = (I - P_{\text{act},K}) dW.
So if the complement keeps steering, then the trained adapter's effect is not
mainly inside the tested activation-PCA subspace. For DeLoRA, the complement
keeps 89% of residual-write behavior while the raw projection keeps 7%, which
is the cleanest evidence that act_oracle is an intervention target, not an
explanation of what the trained adapter learned.
Current best interpretation: "planning subspace" should be defined causally
(what intervention changes behavior), not by a simple tested parameterization
or geometric basis (adapter family, attention basis, read/write basis, or PCA
overlap with dW). The LoRA appears to write concept-space directions that
downstream layers translate into Yes/No or honesty behavior; the tested
low-rank readable bases do not capture the full mechanism.
Cite
@article{FierroRoger2025,
author = {Constanza Fierro and Fabien Roger},
title = {Steering Language Models with Weight Arithmetic},
journal = {arXiv preprint arXiv:2511.05408},
year = {2025},
url = {https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.05408},
doi = {10.48550/arXiv.2511.05408}
}