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Clarify expensive-run exploration and sweep uncertainty
Preserve the full anti-skimming form and distinguish it from the brief end message. Describe batched changes with distinct predicted effects and conditional Bayesian updates. Replace normalized-score reliability verdicts with raw paired comparisons and explicit uncertainty. Validation: diff --check; fresh-agent design scenarios exercised batching, normalization and full-form requirements. No actual training run or measured uplift test. Scenario agent placed the full form in the linked run log, leaving chat-display interpretation unresolved. Co-Authored-By: Pi <288921227+claudypoo@users.noreply.github.com>
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@@ -34,6 +34,16 @@ changes that will have separate and distinguishable effects on the metrics. What
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effect of each change given the others, so record it that way in the mental model. - wassname
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<!-- CLAUDE: last sentence is mine (Sculley's CACE, in README). -->
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With cheap feedback (say, a run under five minutes), isolate changes when that
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helps attribution. With hours between results, choose changes with different
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predicted effects in the log, rather than requiring a separate full run for each.
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Before running, record those predictions and possible interactions in the mental
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model. Afterwards, use the trajectories, demos and metrics to update your beliefs
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about each effect, conditional on the other changes. Distinct signatures help
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separate explanations; they do not guarantee independence. Isolate a change later
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when the remaining uncertainty matters to the next decision or a comparison claim.
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<!-- Pi: wassname's expensive-run approach; five minutes is an example, not a cutoff. -->
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### How agents fail
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> Trying an experiment and seeing it fail gives little information by itself. When an experiment fails, it is tempting to conclude "I tried X and it didn't work". However, if X is a high-level conceptual approach, then a more correct conclusion is "I tried an implementation comprising 0.1% of the possible implementations of X, and observed that that particular implementation did not work". -- Steinhardt
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@@ -113,7 +123,13 @@ he has not worked with it yet. -->
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## The ml-debug form
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Fill this in and show it in full. Read the whole log first. Scoring:
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Fill this in and show it in full. Read the whole log first. This is an anti-skimming
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ritual for the agent, not an expectation that the user reads every row. Keep the
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end message brief: the decisive evidence, the next action, and the relevant
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pseudocode or code. That summary does not replace the full form.
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<!-- Pi: distinguish doing and showing the work from the user's review surface. -->
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Scoring:
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- a row answered from memory or expectation, with no quoted log line: 0
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- a row left blank, with no "unknown" and no note on what would fill it: 0
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# Sweeps: same-seed comparison and cross-seed reliability
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# Sweeps: learning what to try, and comparing results
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Appendix to the [ML Debugging skill](../SKILL.md). The general idea behind a trustworthy hyperparameter sweep, tool-agnostic. The point is the difference between "I tried it and it seemed better" and "it's reliably better across seeds." Irpan's 30% seed-failure result and Henderson's "seeds alone create statistically different distributions" (see the main skill's folklore section) are why this matters: a single lucky run proves nothing.
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Appendix to the [ML Debugging skill](../SKILL.md). Choose the experiment for the
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question and iteration cost. Learning which direction to try next needs less
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certainty than claiming one method reliably beats another.
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## The core move: pair on seed, normalize within group, test across seeds
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## Expensive exploratory runs
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1. Run the same set of seeds for every value of the parameter you're varying. Same seeds across values turns this into a paired comparison and cancels seed-level baseline differences.
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2. Vary one parameter per sweep when you can (all-else-equal). If you vary two, effects confound and you can't attribute the result.
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3. Within each (group, seed), z-score the metric across the parameter values. This removes the per-seed baseline offset so you compare *shapes*, not absolute levels.
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4. Aggregate the z-scores across seeds per value, then take a t-stat: `mean_z / (std_z / sqrt(n_seeds))`. `|t| > 2` with 4+ seeds is a real, reliable effect; `t ~ 0` is no consistent effect.
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5. For numeric parameters, also fit a linear trend (Pearson r) and t-test it: a clean dose-response is `r` near +/-1 with a significant t-stat.
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For cheap runs, changing one thing at a time often makes diagnosis easier. For
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hours-long runs, batch changes when they have distinguishable predicted effects.
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Record what each should change in the logs before running, including possible
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interactions. Update the Bayesian mental model from trajectories and demos as well
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as final metrics; keep unresolved explanations rather than forcing attribution.
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```py
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for group in groups:
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for seed in seeds_in_group:
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vals = {param_value: metric for runs matching (group, seed, param)}
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z[seed] = (vals - mean(vals)) / std(vals) # within-(group,seed) normalization
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for value in param_values:
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mean_z, std_z = mean(z[:, value]), std(z[:, value])
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t_stat = mean_z / (std_z / sqrt(n_seeds)) # >>2 reliably better, <<-2 reliably worse
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```
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For example, a loader change may predict less time waiting for data, while a
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regularisation change predicts a different train–validation gap. Seeing both
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supports those explanations, but does not prove the changes acted independently.
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If both predict only a better final score, the log may not separate them. A later
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isolated comparison is useful when that uncertainty changes what to do next.
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## What you're looking for
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## Comparing configurations or methods
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High effect size *and* a strong t-stat. A value with a big mean but `t=0.5` is a lucky seed; a value with a modest mean but `t=4.0` is a real (if small) effect.
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Keep the evaluation data, metric definition and relevant budget comparable.
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Pair runs where meaningful: reuse seeds and inputs, but check that the changed
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implementation has not changed what those seeds control. Pairing can reduce
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noise; it does not guarantee its cancellation.
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## Common pitfalls
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Inspect paired differences in the original metric units, their spread, and failed
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runs. A comparison of two bundles estimates the bundle difference, not each
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component's contribution. Distinguish exploratory selection from confirmation on
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seeds or data not used to select the winner.
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- `n_seeds = 1`: t-stat is undefined. One data point. Replicate before concluding anything.
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- Cross-group comparisons: different groups often have different base configs, so "group A's best value vs group B's best" is apples-to-oranges. Compare within groups.
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- Too many parameters varied at once: split into separate sweeps.
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- Crashed / diverged runs showing as missing or NaN metrics: investigate the run, don't silently drop it; a divergence is itself a finding.
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Within-seed z-scores can describe response shapes, but erase effect magnitude.
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With just two settings, they can give the winner the same normalized value on
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every seed despite very different raw gains. Do not use that artificial lack of
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variance as evidence of reliability.
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Describe uncertainty in the raw differences, with a method suited to the sample
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size and dependence. There is no universal “t > 2 with four seeds” guarantee.
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A noisy estimate leaves the effect uncertain; it does not establish either “no
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effect” or “a lucky seed.” One run can inform the next experiment without
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establishing reliability across seeds.
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Keep crashed or divergent runs visible and investigate them. Do not silently
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exclude them from the comparison.
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<!-- Pi: revised from wassname's exploratory-run direction and the reviewed
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within-seed normalization counterexample. Source background: README.md sections
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“Seed variance”, “Changing anything changes everything”, and “Exploration over
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exploitation”. -->
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