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## The Two Year Emperor, Chapter 50 - Diplomacy Considered Dangerous

* Author: u/eaglejarl *
* URL: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9669819/50/The-Two-Year-Emperor
* Score: 11

* Created: 2014-07-12T18:09:50

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### Comments:

> **u/Prezombie** [+2]  (33 minutes later)
> 
> Wow. I didn't see that coming.
> 
> [Ch. 50](#s "Wow, Afi being a diplomancer I get, but him showing up in person? Oh dear, but isn't this an unnecessarily risk on his part? He could be walking into a Diplomancer duel his past self would regret.")
> 
> [Ch. 50 Speculation](#s "Does Afi have a backup in place to ensure that the unlikely event of his diplomancy fails and he's the one turned? I'm thinking that there would be a long-ish term attitude-adjusting spell which, when ended, would return the character to their original attitude, thus cancelling any diplomancy done in the meantime.")
> 
> [2YE Reason](#s "Are we about to see the actual *reason* for Flobbovia's leader lottery? By having a leader outside of the game, the landsguard no longer have to worry about a diplomancer becoming the cliche evil regent and essentially taking over the country!")

>> **u/Evilness42** [+1]  *And even myth is long forgotten...* (an hour later)
>> 
>> [Possibility](#s "He could probably just commit suicide and respawn at his phylactery if negotiations turn sour. Also, wasn't it implied that the Flobovians also got people from other RPGverses? They could be lying, though.")
>> 
>> [Edit:] (#s "My second point is proven(enough to count without the author saying no) in Chapter 2: 'You must be from a dimension with an incompatible mystic framework. One of those point based ones, maybe?'")

>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (6 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Your second point is, in point of fact, correct.

>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (6 hours later)
>> 
>> [Quote from your 'Ch. 50' entry:](#s "Isn't this an unnecessary risk on Afi's part?")
>> 
>> Sure seems that way, doesn't it? ;)

>>> **u/Prezombie** [+1]  (6 hours later)
>>> 
>>> [Ch. 50](#s "Oh gods living and dead, please say that spell engines can't run 'Polymorph any object, pebble into the human(?) lich Afi")
>>> 
>>> [Edit, second thoughts](#s "still hoping that's not possible, considering the implied rule of people being unique and non-duplicatable at the soul level, but then my new guess would be some kind of projection or directly controlled golem. If PAO is allowed to create "A human lich with skill levels x, y, and z", that would be nearly as broken as template abuse.")

>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (12 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Rest assured, PAO cannot do that.  Which doesnt' mean that the truth is comforting.

> **u/Evilness42** [+1]  *And even myth is long forgotten...* (58 minutes later)
> 
> [Question](#s "Would Jake be affected by the diplomacy power, considering that he comes from another world?")

>> **u/aeschenkarnos** [+3]  (6 hours later)
>> 
>> Pro: He's affected by magic.
>> 
>> Con: RAW specifically states that Diplomacy doesn't work on PCs.

>> **u/ulyssessword** [+1]  (an hour later)
>> 
>> I don't think so.  He breaks enough rules that he should be affected as if by earth-physics.

>>> **u/Evilness42** [+2]  *And even myth is long forgotten...* (2 hours later)
>>> 
>>> By 'breaks enough rules' do you mean 'exploits enough loopholes' or 'game rules do not apply to him'? If it's the first, godly intervention might mess him up, but if it's the second, I don't see how it's a problem. 
>>> 
>>> Wait, I just thought of a second point. Does he count as a PC or NPC? [Explanation](#s "I don't play D&D, but I think it said that that skill does stuff to NPCs at the bottom, not PCs. Is it supposed to apply to both or something? If he's a PC and that's true, he should be fine. I think.")
>>> 
>>> Edit: I misread your reply so mine looks like a counterargument for the side you're arguing against, but I believe that my point still stands.

>>>> **u/ulyssessword** [+2]  (2 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> The game rules do not apply to him.  For example, he treats command words for magic items as words (not a 6 second action), so it's likely that he treats words coming from a diplomacy attempt as merely words.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, he's probably a player character (and therefore immune) and might not even have D&D attitudes towards people.

>>>>> **u/philip1201** [+4]  (4 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The intelligence upgrade works, and the mind rewrite also worked, so it seems like magic by others does still affect him. I'm not sure of PC's are *de jure* affected by diplomacy/bluff/etc. rolls, but we did play it like that in the few games I've been in.

>>>>>> **u/ulyssessword** [+2]  (5 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >The intelligence upgrade works, and the mind rewrite also worked, so it seems like magic by others does still affect him. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Those are all explicitly magic though.  Diplomacy is a mundane skill, so I'd put it in the same category as people passing through each other while moving, or him running out of stamina.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >I'm not sure of PC's are de jure affected by diplomacy/bluff/etc. rolls, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't think they are.  Diplomacy checks are explicitly for NPCs.

>>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (6 hours later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Correct.  Diplomacy only affects NPCs.

>>>>> **u/Evilness42** [+1]  *And even myth is long forgotten...* (3 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> In that case: [What might happen in Ch. 51](#s "Afi is going to die. Very quickly-or at least be taken out of action unless he is capable of overpowering everyone in the room.") Anyways, thanks for answering my question.

>>>>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+1]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (19 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately the latter seems pretty likely, given the background.

> **u/Nepene** [+1]  (22 hours later)
> 
> A very good chapter, and much fun.
> 
> [Monster](#S "Afi is a very monstrous being. I can see why he's the top lich. And my diplomacy build, it doesn't take much out of they combat potential of a lich. He's likely still very monstrous in other ways.")

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