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## I've made a new subreddit for rationalists to just hang out, /r/LessWrongLounge.
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* Author: u/JoshuaBlaine *Princess of the Wasteland**
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* URL: https://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/2c72xz/ive_made_a_new_subreddit_for_rationalists_to_just/
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* Score: 8
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* Created: 2014-07-31T00:59:24
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### Post:
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The subreddit: /r/LessWrongLounge. From the sidebar:
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>Less Wrong is explicitly about improving critical thinking skills, and as a consequence has a high standard for comments and posts site-wide.
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>The Lounge, however, attempts to allow for a more casual participation in the rationalist community. Expected content here include things like sharing personal stories, asking the subreddit questions, sharing links to particularly rational media, organizing community games/events, sharing a new discovery, or otherwise just interacting with other people in a fulfilling way. Everyone is welcome, and most things are allowed, so just say hello!
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Watching the posts made in places like /r/HPMOR and here, I think a place like this is useful. /r/rational doesn't *only* ever talk about stories, so it lends credence to the idea that there should be a place where *anything* is open to rational discussion.
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The kind of people I've met on [LessWrong](/http://lesswrong.com/) and the other places the rationalist community hang out have been some of the best people I've had the pleasure of meeting, So naturally, I made a dedicated place for meeting them!
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If you're familiar with them, comparisons to what /r/MLPLounge is to /r/mylittlepony is on par with my expectations for the subreddit will be compared to Less Wrong itself.
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So, will you guys subscribe and stay? Is this something you wanted to exist? Let me know what you think.
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P.S. Additional moderation will likely be needed, as I'm an inexperienced mod myself, so anyone with experience moderating who's interested, please let me know.
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### Comments:
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> **u/None** [+8] (10 hours later)
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> >If you're familiar with them, comparisons to what /r/MLPLounge[5] is to /r/mylittlepony[6] is on par with my expectations for the subreddit will be compared to Less Wrong itself.
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> And thus /r/LessWrongLounge was permanently infested with ponymotes.
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>> **u/Empiricist_or_not** [+1] *Aspiring polite Hegemonizing swarm* (19 hours later)
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>> This seems like a good thing.
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> **u/None** [+12] (2 hours later)
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> >Rule 2: [No Politics.](http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Politics_is_the_Mind-Killer) Period.
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> Dude bro pal, you do know [that's not what that means](http://lesswrong.com/lw/kkp/politics_is_hard_mode/), right? A better phrase would be … "Politics is difficult to talk about without falling into tribalism, so watch yourself", or "Political examples should not be used in a non-political discussion." Or my personal favorite – "Politics is SPIDERS."
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> Whatever phrase you choose, it *doesn't* mean "never talk about politics"; nowadays, I think politics is getting extremely important for scientists and rationalists to not just ignore.
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> I mean, it's your sub. But *especially* since you call it a ***Lounge***, i didn't expect a rule like that. Just expressing your surprise.
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>> **u/FeepingCreature** [+3] *GCV Literally The Entire Culture* (6 hours later)
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>> > I mean, it's your sub. But especially since you call it a Lounge, i didn't expect a rule like that. Just expressing your surprise.
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>> Well, ime politics tends to become unloungey fast. But maybe a more subtle phrasing would do the job just as well.
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>>> **u/None** [+10] (10 hours later)
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>>> If we can't keep our flame-wars friendly, we're not very good rationalists, are we?
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>>>> **u/FeepingCreature** [+3] *GCV Literally The Entire Culture* (11 hours later)
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>>>> We ought to live in the world that is, not the world that we wish that was.
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>>>> Or: yeah, kinda.
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>>>> I mean hey, I have hopes for friendly flame wars too, but I mean. Realistically.
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>>>>> **u/JackStargazer** [+3] *Primordial Apologist* (15 hours later)
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>>>>>
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>>>>> That's what good moderation is for. Transparent moderation that explains why things are removed, but which does remove things that go beyond the pale.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> There is no need to prevent useful discussions just because some discussions on that topic go to bad places. And politics is a hell of a long ranging thing to ban, how close can you get without going over? Is UBI politics? Is technological unemployment? Is law?
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>>>>>> **u/FeepingCreature** [+2] *GCV Literally The Entire Culture* (16 hours later)
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>>>>>> I think "politics" probably refers to situations where opinions are used to show allegiance with a cause (because those tend to be rather common, for uncertain reasons, in politics. Maybe only movements with this property are coherent enough to matter in politics?) Which is rather anti-reason.
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>>>>>>> **u/alexanderwales** [+4] *Time flies like an arrow* (20 hours later)
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>>>>>>> I don't know. When I think about the hot-button political issues, I usually think of them as just the tip of the iceberg for much more involved issues. People just flippantly say "I'm pro-choice" or "I'm pro-life" as this really extreme shorthand for a whole host of deeper matters of philosophy - in that particular case, there are three or four enormous discussions that are laying below the surface. If you're talking to the right people, a question like "Are you for or against gun control?" can actually turn into an interesting conversation about personal responsibility, the rule of law, game theory, etc.
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Granted, *most of the time* it just turns into arguing over the facts or screaming the same old rhetorical points at each other with not the slightest trace of originality, but I really don't think it has to be like that.
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>>>>>>>> **u/FeepingCreature** [+2] *GCV Literally The Entire Culture* (a day later)
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>>>>>>>> I do agree we're probably missing out on a lot of potentially fun discussion to be had, and that's kind of sad.
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>>>>>>> **u/JackStargazer** [+2] *Primordial Apologist* (20 hours later)
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>>>>>>> Then wouldn't it be smarter to ban mindkilling/bandwagoning/groupthink instead of politics, as that is what we are specifically targetting?
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>>>>>>> Because there are other examples of places where that can show up that are not just political.
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>>>>>>>> **u/FeepingCreature** [+1] *GCV Literally The Entire Culture* (a day later)
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> I agree with that, I think.
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>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+1] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Personal heuristic: you can talk about politics if you never, ever bring up who to vote for.
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>> **u/logrusmage** [+2] (18 hours later)
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>> Shouldn't it just say "politics is the mind killer?"
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>>> **u/None** [+2] (a day later)
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>>> The thread deals with the fact that "politics is the mind killer" doesn't convey the proper meaning. People will either think you're insulting them by calling them "mind-killed" or it makes it look like aspiring rationalist shouldn't think about politics, lest they be mind-killed.
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>>> And that's just not what is meant by "politics is the mind-killer."
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>>> Politics is hard-mode has it's own problems, though, but I like it better than "mind-killer". Another suggestion was "politics is a minefield", which also works.
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>> **u/JoshuaBlaine** [+1] *Princess of the Wasteland* (a day later)
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>> I consider political discussion low value and overly appealing to discuss for bad reasons. Transparency and *justification* of mod action is very important to me as well, so if the rule as it stands seems too harsh, I'll re-word it and try and respond well to things on a case by case basis.
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>>> **u/None** [+2] (a day later)
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>>> >Politics is *Spiders*. Avoid using political examples in non-political discussions, and tread very carefully if attempting to discuss politics.
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>>> 10/10 change, I <3 Spiders
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> **u/SmallSubBot** [+1] (15 seconds later)
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> Link for the interested:
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> /r/LessWrongLounge: This subreddit exists as a place for Rationalists, and those aspiring to be[...]
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