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## The Full-Cost Pricing Controversy
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* Author: u/None *
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* URL: http://www.fimfiction.net/story/201692/4/deathonomics/the-fullcost-pricing-controversy
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* Score: 8
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* Created: 2014-08-11T22:49:41
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### Post:
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[Link to content](http://www.fimfiction.net/story/201692/4/deathonomics/the-fullcost-pricing-controversy)
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### Comments:
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> **u/literal-hitler** [+5] (58 minutes later)
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> This subreddit needs a MLP warning tag...
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>> **u/None** [+8] (2 days later)
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>> Your wish is the mod's command. Brand new link flair, with /r/rational's first-ever content warning!
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>>> **u/Empiricist_or_not** [+4] *Aspiring polite Hegemonizing swarm* (2 days later)
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>>>
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>>> Amazing: Our first content warning is for ponies. I'm not sure how I feel about that but hey it'll make finding pony easier.
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>>> **u/literal-hitler** [+2] (2 days later)
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>>>
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>>> Yay, all hail the mods!
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>>> **u/Chronophilia** [+2] *sci-fi ≠ futurology* (2 days later)
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>>>
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>>> A real public servant.
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>>> **u/None** [+2] (2 days later)
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>>>
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>>> [deleted]
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>>>> **u/None** [+2] (3 days later)
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>>>>
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>>>> Huh. There's no humor in just tagging it "ponies" without any sign of a warning. "Not Safe For Discord"? Still too long. Huh.
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>> **u/Kir-chan** [+2] (5 hours later)
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>> This. Some of us are browsing from work...
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>> **u/CalebJohnsn** [+2] *Theoretical Manatician* (a day later)
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>> Like just [MLP]?
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>> Redundancy is the key to efficiency after all, or something like that.
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>> **u/tilkau** [+1] (5 hours later)
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>> That's right here:
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>> http://i.imgur.com/fZtYQ93.png
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>>> **u/literal-hitler** [+6] (5 hours later)
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>>> Right, because there's no way someone could read that as fanfiction instead, or just not look entirely. That's less visible than the title, and far less visible than a tag.
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>>> Also, am I supposed to memorize sites I don't want to go to just in case someone links them? Should we all go memorize the addresses to furry porn sites just so we don't accidentally go there?
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>>>> **u/alexanderwales** [+4] *Time flies like an arrow* (6 hours later)
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>>>> Though it doesn't fully address your concern, you can set up RES to auto-hide anything from the fimfiction.net domain (which is the one that will be linked to from the subreddit nine times out of ten).
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>>>> **u/tilkau** [+3] (6 hours later)
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>>>> > Also, am I supposed to memorize sites I don't want to go to just in case someone links them? Should we all go memorize the addresses to furry porn sites just so we don't accidentally go there?
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>>>> In your case, bothering with such a policy seems entirely consistent with the level of significance you are assigning to this whole issue.
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>>>> When the item is a) posted by '**mylittle**economy' and b) its domain is **fim**fiction.net, I do not have much sympathy for your argument. Either one of those factors alone is enough to infer 'It's MLP'.
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>>>> EDIT: However, searching domain:fimfiction.net in /r/rational suggests that this particular post is atypical and 95% of other posts aren't very clear on this issue. So I suppose I've ended up supporting your proposal.
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>>>> Note however that if it's the erratic pornographicness of fimfiction.net that is the real problem, an MLP tag may not help you all that much (it's not as if fimfiction is the only website with MLP fiction or with NSFW content). A 'NSFW site' tag may be more relevant.
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>>>> Also note that AFAIK story thumbnails are not permitted to contain explicit content, so it's appropriate to report them if they are.
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>>>>> **u/None** [+6] (6 hours later)
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>>>>>
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>>>>> There is an optimal level of warnings and information provision in general which will usually never be at a total provision or total absence of information because producing and distributing information is costly. Thus there will inevitably be some false positives and false negatives. When people get hit by some such error, they will inevitably complain about the level of information provided, and they are right to do so *even if the level of information provision is optimal.* And indeed, considering the frightfully pornographic nature of fimfiction.net, it is unlikely the level of information I provided in the title is optimal.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> This is all simply my mistake, and I thank /u/literal-hitler for bringing it to my attention. Now if we are going to argue about something, let us argue about how widely spread marginal cost pricing is in practice and how useful it is in theory, and how economists performed in the full-cost pricing controversy.
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>>>>>> **u/tilkau** [+2] (9 hours later)
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>>>>>> > And indeed, considering the **frightfully pornographic** nature of fimfiction.net
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>>>>>> Eh? I just turned off NoScript in case this 'pornographic' stuff is in the ads, but I don't notice any.. and there is the occasional vaguely-suggestive text or image, but I'm not sure how you'd run into actual explicit content without specifically seeking it out -- fimfiction's rules* are designed to prevent it, and do a decent job at that.
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>>>>>> So I guess I have to take back my 'erraticly pornographic' comment, which is considerably milder than your 'frightfully pornographic' comment.
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>>>>>> \* No NSFW content in story thumbnail; No NSFW content in story descriptions.
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>>>>>>> **u/None** [+1] (15 hours later)
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Yes, that is right, but I suppose I'm still a little shocked by it all. I know that in theory the Internet is supposed to be able to fetishize anything, but somehow I thought cartoon ponies with no sexual features would have been the limit. Presumably if they made a cartoon about rocks--not anthropomorphic rocks, but just hard round things laying in the dirt--people wouldn't be compelled to write stories about one rock accidentally stumbling in on another rock in the shower...right?
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>>>>>>>> **u/tilkau** [+3] (16 hours later)
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Well, there is toaster porn, so I don't see why there wouldn't be rock porn. Actually, on the topic of MLP, There is Tom the rock (who is definitely *just a particularly large rock*, not anthropomorphized), and there's definitely Tom/Rarity shipping. There's probably also Tom/Rarity porn. I mean, there is ['Twilight and Trixie as airships' shipping](http://www.fimfiction.net/story/6608/1/airshipping-is-magic/chapter-1)!* -- surely Tom/Rarity porn is positively mundane next to that. Tom/Maud porn should be practically guaranteed, given Maud's field of interest.
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> \* story is SFW, just rather bizarre. Airship romance and betrayal!! (yes, really)
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Somewhat more seriously, I'm pretty sure that anything that has an appealing face qualifies, and anything that looks interesting may also spontaneously acquire a face (Google Image Search 'anthro fighter jet' sometime, for example)
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> I guess my overall conclusion is that well.. people are obsessed with relationships and sex, and that's really all that there is to this whole matter: putting any given X in the same sentence as 'sex' or 'relationship' seems to be just a matter of time, hence rule 34.
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>>>>>>>>> **u/DiscyD3rp** [+2] *Wannabe Shakespeare* (a day later)
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Fun fact, there *is* some *very explicit* art with PonyxRock, with the newer character Maud Pie being the focus. [Example A.] (http://imgur.com/a/AcgQE) [NSFW IMAGES] I know of this for reasons. Very good ones, for sure.
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> [](/maudwink)It really is an interesting world we live in, isn't it?
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>>>>>>>>>> **u/tilkau** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>> That understatement. Hehe.
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> As I was writing my previous comment, I looked up "tom_(mlp)" on e621. One of the images shown depicted
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>>>>>>>>>> ["Tom and Boulder 'copulating'"](https://e621.net/post/show/457774)*, with 'bodily' fluids oozing out where they are touching. I believe that broadly fulfills MLE's 'rock x rock' idea; it certainly fulfills my 'wat' quotient.
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Also, [aforementioned toaster porn](https://e621.net/post/show/290275)* -- not the only instance, but the funniest one. It's even **furry** toaster porn, however the hell that is supposed to work.
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> \* both links are NSFW.
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>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Can someone braver than me click that link and tell me what's actually happening there?
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently refraining from clicking it just to show that I'm the master of my curiosity by not pushing the big red button that has "DO NOT PUSH WORLD WILL END" on it in big white letters.
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>>>>>>>>>>> **u/tilkau** [+2] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, since I already looked, why not.
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Twilight gives potion to Maud, with instructions to apply it to a rock. Maud applies it to Boulder (that's the name of her pet rock, which is decidedly not a boulder, if you're not aware). Boulder turns into a sort of well endowed squishy grey android (pondroid?) with creepy blank eyes. Maud proceeds to appropriately utilize said endowment, while monologuing to Boulder-pondroid in a sort of understated but overall porny way. Consent, as well as sapience or even sentience, of Boulder-pondroid is rather ambiguous.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, Boulder turns back into a pebble and inconveniently digs into Maud's back.
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> It's more silly than anything, really. Although probably less silly than [this](https://e621.net/post/show/457774), which is literal, non-anthropomorphized rocks having sex.. somehow.
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> YMMV though because I think a lot of things that seem to squick other people are just silly. If it's not physically possible, it's pure fantasy and pretty hard for it to get worse than 'silly', IME.
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>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> > I guess my overall conclusion is that well.. people are obsessed with relationships and sex, and that's really all that there is to this whole matter: putting any given X in the same sentence as 'sex' or 'relationship' seems to be just a matter of time, hence rule 34.
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Yes, but can you say it with a graph, and a p-value of less than 0.05?
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>>>>>>>>>> **u/tilkau** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>> That is one thing that I definitely do NOT want to be able to say with a graph and p < 0.05, thanks. Looking at [any](https://e621.net/post/index/1/what) [booru's](http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=what) ["what"](http://pbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=what) [tag](http://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=what) is about the ultimate level of convincing evidence I am willing to withstand.
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> \* Links are NSFW and may also be Not Safe For Brain.
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>>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> TENURE DENIED. Go straight to Hell. Do not pass go; do not collect $200.
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>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+1] (17 hours later)
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Goodness, how we do live and learn.
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>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+3] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>> For God's sakes, you do know you have a "View Mature" setting you can turn off, right? It makes the mind-ripping horror go away.
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> >Presumably if they made a cartoon about rocks--not anthropomorphic rocks, but just hard round things laying in the dirt--people wouldn't be compelled to write stories about one rock accidentally stumbling in on another rock in the shower...right?
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>>>>>>>> Yes they would.
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>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+1] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>> Well, I did not quite realize what I was dealing with until I took a proper look at the home page to see what the fuss was about. As for the rocks, I concede the point. Although, it would perhaps be remiss of me not to mention that I do have a, ah, "clop"-themed story of sorts planned. The title? Ah...*Self-Interest*.
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Enough said. But how else is one supposed to communicate the idea of subjective value?
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>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>> > Although, it would perhaps be remiss of me not to mention that I do have a, ah, "clop"-themed story of sorts planned.
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>>>>>>>>>> You're a horrible person.
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>>>>>>>>>> I mean, look, they're of humanoid mind-design, except with extra emphasis placed on positive social relationships. Of course they're going to *have* sex lives. You're just not supposed to actually portray them, because butting into someone else's bedroom is *rude*. How much more so for what is technically another species with very different primary and secondary sexual characteristics?
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>>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Themed, themed, of course there will be no uncouth squishing-together of the nether regions....
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>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>> This better be some kind of author tract about legalizing and taxing the sex trade.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why on earth would anyone want to tax those hard-working girls?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To pay for their health-care and retirements of course. Especially the health: STDs are serious business and prostitutes need to be part of disease control.
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>>>> **u/None** [+2] (6 hours later)
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>>>> Hm, yes, this is not a bad idea, and my mistake for overlooking it. The site is rather more pornographic than I had realized.
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>>>> **u/None** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>> >Right, because there's no way someone could read that as fanfiction instead, or just not look entirely.
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>>>> Why are you browsing fanfiction.net at work, but not fimfiction? Neither one seems particularly like good employee discipline to me ;-).
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>>>>> **u/literal-hitler** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>>> Who says I was? It's the same as wanting to be warned if something is NSFW because of gore instead of breasts.
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>>>>>> **u/None** [+2] (2 days later)
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>>>>>> I'm just making fun of you for being the first person in known history to consider ponies worthy of a content warning.
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>>>>>>> **u/literal-hitler** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Didn't 4chan create an entire new imageboard to keep ponies separated?
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>>>>>>>> **u/tilkau** [+1] (3 days later)
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>>>>>>>> A few places have done things like that. But this appears to be related to the astoundingly high volume of content, rather than the type of content -- "What, ponies? AGAIN? Get out."
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>>>>>>>> Which is not yet a problem for r/rational, but hey, if we can find more rationalfics by looking in pony fandom, that seems like overall an acceptable side effect.
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>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+1] (2 days later)
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>>>>>>>> \>4chan
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>>>>>>>> \>people
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>>>>>>>> Also, knowing just how much 4chan absolutely despises ponies is part of what makes the fandom fun to be in.
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> **u/None** [+3] (a minute later)
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> [A fascinating if somewhat embarrassing period in the history of economics,](https://studies2.hec.fr/jahia/webdav/site/hec/shared/sites/mongin/acces_anonyme/page%20internet/A22.pdf) and not one I'm altogether sure I did justice to....
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