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## [FF][RST] The Waves Arisen [Ch.17]

* Author: u/Wertifloke *
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* Created: 2015-02-11T01:01:21

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> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+14]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (8 minutes later)
> 
> Team Seven is *absurdly* overpowered.
> 
> I love it.

>> **u/eaglejarl** [+10]  (3 hours later)
>> 
>> You want absurdly overpowered?  Here's what they need to learn: [Chakra Transfer Technique](http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra_Transfer_Technique). In canon, Naruto was able to mold chakra into the recipient's elemental nature for their convenience. It's also possible to pass on nature chakra, so Hinata doesn't have to bother learning Sage Mode. 
>> 
>> If they learned that and Naruto expanded his water clone facility, all three of them would have infinite chakra and infinite numbers of clones. And all those clones have a Byakugan and a Sharingan.
>> 
>> I don't know if Hinata knows the Kaiten, but if so there's no reason not to teach it to the boys. 
>> 
>> Re chapter: Sasuke's threat to destroy the family name was a Crowning Moment of Awesome. Hardcore and a little sad, but awesome.

>>> **u/fortycakes** [+3]  (8 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Didn't Naruto already learn Chakra Transfer from Kabuto? I thought that was how he made his Sage Mode work?

>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+2]  (10 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Did he? When?
>>>> 
>>>> He learned to do Sage mode by being one with the universe. He gets the chakra because it naturally overflows from his water clones, but that's not a direct transfer, just a function of how clones work.

>>>>> **u/fortycakes** [+2]  (12 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> "His first idea was to generate a clone and put it in his “sage mode,” then to use that chakra-transferral technique he and Sasuke had learned from Kabuto. After finding a way to rest one body’s arm on the flesh of the other without the touch being too distracting he was able to feel the flow coming through a little, even while wiggling the finger of his other hand. That was a proof of concept, at least, but Jiraiya probably wasn’t carting around a limp shadow clone on his back every time he fought, so there were probably better options to be found."  
>>>>> In Chapter 16.

>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (13 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, right. Thanks.

>>>>> **u/Kuratius** [+1]  (12 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's a few lines about practicing it with Sasuke, but I think it's contact only. It's a medical technique thingy.

>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (12 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I forget -- when a shadow clone bursts, does its chakra vanish, or get returned to the hive? If the latter, the three of them could just have a factory somewhere out in the middle of nowhere, where clones of Naruto feed clones of Hinata / Sasuke who then make a clone and then burst themselves.

>>>>>>> **u/Kuratius** [+2]  (12 hours later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think you'd eventually run into chakra capacity issues with that, but having a shadow clone being fed by naruto make water clones and then bursting those would work ( water clones don't reduce the maximum capacity of the caster).

>>>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (13 hours later)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cool. Infinite chakra for everyone!

>>>>>>>> **u/Izeinwinter** [+1]  (14 hours later)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ... Not sure you even need to burst the waterclones. Overflow from regen returns to the original, so it's entirely possible he can just force feed a water clone chakra, and that will do it all on it's own.

>>> **u/autowikiabot** [+2]  (3 hours later)
>>> 
>>> #####	
>>> 
>>> ######	
>>> 
>>> ####	
>>>  [**Chakra Transfer Technique**](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra%20Transfer%20Technique): [](#sfw) 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> >This technique was originally created by [Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hagoromo_%C5%8Ctsutsuki) in order to "connect" the spiritual energies of every living person. His intention was for it to be used to build and maintain peace through his religion of [ninshū](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ninsh%C5%AB), but this technique ended up becoming another tool for war when humanity weaponised chakra. This technique is used by many shinobi, each one of them has shown to use technique in different ways. Once, the user transfers its chakra, he/she is able to manipulate that chakra remotely.
>>> >
>>> ^Interesting: [^Chakra](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/chakra) ^| [^Tailed ^Beast ^Transfer ^Technique](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/tailed beast transfer technique) ^| [^Mind ^Body ^Switch ^Technique](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/mind body switch technique) ^| [^Chakra ^Threads](https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/chakra threads) 
>>> 
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> **u/adad64** [+13]  *Chaos Legion* (20 minutes later)
> 
> I loved the way you handled Sasuke's meeting with Itachi :) Itachi's reasoning and justifications always rang hollow to me even in canon.

> **u/scruiser** [+10]  *CYOA* (55 minutes later)
> 
> Kudos to /u/kaukamieli for guessing that the sharkguy (Kisame Hoshigaki for those wondering) would show up.  Nice munchking to see him to die to a syrup technique. Did you introduce the syrup technique with that scene in mind, or simply pick a high utility technique that Naruto would go for and then come up with the usage when you got to the scene?
> 
> I was worrying that Sasuke was killed and Itachi was using an illusion technique on Naruto, until I remembered the countless backups clones spanming Byakugan.
> 
> Well, they are pretty well min-maxed now, but I guess it will still be interesting given that they will be up against a min-maxed Rinnegan user.

> **u/blockbaven** [+6]  (54 minutes later)
> 
> So many fucking powerups

>> **u/Transfuturist** [+12]  *Carthago delenda est.* (an hour later)
>> 
>> I know, isn't it *awesome?* :D

>> **u/gabbalis** [+4]  (an hour later)
>> 
>> -A-
>> 
>> Get Equipped
>> 
>> with
>> 
>> Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan.

> **u/FlossingThread** [+4]  (2 hours later)
> 
> I'm not really sure about this, but isn't ems+senju blood = rinnegan? That should allow Naruto to use the magic donut.

>> **u/Jace_MacLeod** [+7]  (3 hours later)
>> 
>> According to canon, yeah. Although there is some mystical mumbo-jumbo about needing to be possessed by ancient brother spirits that merge into the Sage of the Six Path's chakra, or something. As if Naruto needed to be even *more* overpowered. (Answer: He does. :D)

> **u/traverseda** [+3]  *With dread but cautious optimism* (29 minutes later)
> 
> >Shit—maybe I should have tried putting one of mine into Itachi while he was still alive, just to see if the eyes would keep their upgrade once I took them back out.”
> 
> ...right. Thank god we live in a proper reductionist universe, can you imagine if physics actually cared about that kind of thing?

>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+5]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (42 minutes later)
>> 
>> Honestly I find the extra water more worrying - most detail you can handwave with nanosomething, but *1.4 billion cubic kilometers of water* has to come from somewhere.

>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+2]  (3 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Comet mining? Water isn't actually all that hard to come by if you've got cheap space travel.

>>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+2]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (3 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> You've still got delivery issues - getting it to the surface in a reasonable timeframe might not leave a Tibetan plateau at all, from the impact and instant erosion.  Comets also aren't *that* big - typically ~80 km^3 of ice, so you'd need tens of millions of them, minimum.
>>>> 
>>>> That comets are *still the most reasonable explanation* is scary.

>>>>> **u/tongjun** [+3]  (4 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first thought was a water-clone factory left on automatic, with one drone doing a non-stop water generation.

>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (10 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you just reenter them, they will melt and fall as rain.

>>>>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+1]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (11 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This could actually work. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You'd have to expend an absurd amount of energy to get them to a low relative velocity and then the right orbit, but comets come with built in reaction mass! The issue is time, but again if we're violating conservation of mass and probably on the wrong track anyway, that can be ignored.

>>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (12 hours later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> > You'd have to expend an absurd amount of energy to get them to a low relative velocity 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why? You aren't trying to orbit them, just crash them into the atmosphere. No matter what angle they hit at, so long as they go in they'll melt and you're good to go.

>>>>>>>> **u/Izeinwinter** [+2]  (14 hours later)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You want them to evaporate, not disassociate into a cloud of hydrogen and oxygen plasma. Hence, you want to keep reentry speeds reasonable.

>>>>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (14 hours later)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure the plasma would cool quickly and the atoms would re-combine into water.  Well, except the ozone that would also form but, hey, win!

>>>>>>>>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+1]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (20 hours later)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And the atmospheric effects would scour the surface clean.  But aside from the probable ejection of more water than you gained...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You can check out [Shoemaker-Levy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9) for an example of 2-km fragments from orbit, which is roughly what I was proposing.  Our median 8-km comet would be ~64 times more energetic even before the higher speed was taken into account!

>>>>>>>>>>> **u/autowikibot** [+1]  (20 hours later)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> #####	
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ######	
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ####	
>>>>>>>>>>>  [**Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet%20Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy%209): [](#sfw) 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >__Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9__ ([formally designated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_naming_conventions#Comets) __D/1993 F2__) was a [comet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet) that broke apart and collided with [Jupiter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter) in July 1994, providing the first direct observation of an extraterrestrial collision of [Solar System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System) objects.  This generated a large amount of coverage in the popular media, and the comet was closely observed by [astronomers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy) worldwide. The collision provided new information about Jupiter and highlighted its role in reducing [space debris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris) in the [inner Solar System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System#Inner_planets).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >The comet was discovered by astronomers [Carolyn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_S._Shoemaker) and [Eugene M. Shoemaker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Merle_Shoemaker) and [David Levy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Levy).  Shoemaker–Levy 9, at the time captured by and orbiting Jupiter, was located on the night of March 24, 1993, in a photograph taken with the 40 cm (16 in) [Schmidt telescope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt_camera) at the [Palomar Observatory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palomar_Observatory) in [California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California). It was the first comet observed to be orbiting a planet, and had probably been captured by the planet around 20 – 30 years earlier.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >Calculations showed that its unusual fragmented form was due to a previous closer approach to Jupiter in July 1992. At that time, the orbit of Shoemaker–Levy 9 passed within Jupiter's [Roche limit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit), and Jupiter's [tidal forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force) had acted to pull apart the comet. The comet was later observed as a series of fragments ranging up to 2 km (1.2 mi) in diameter. These fragments collided with Jupiter's southern hemisphere between July 16 and July 22, 1994, at a speed of approximately 60 km/s (37 mi/s) or 216,000 km/h (134,000 mph). The prominent scars from the impacts were more easily visible than the [Great Red Spot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Red_Spot) and persisted for many months.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >====
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >[**Image**](https://i.imgur.com/VNhYx1D.jpg) [^(i)](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SL9_BDGLNQ12R_hst19.jpg)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ^Interesting: [^118P/Shoemaker–Levy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/118P/Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy) ^| [^138P/Shoemaker–Levy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/138P/Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy) ^| [^129P/Shoemaker–Levy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/129P/Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy) ^| [^Eugene ^Merle ^Shoemaker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Merle_Shoemaker) 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (a day later)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> > And the atmospheric effects would scour the surface clean. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck for a response, so it's your choice:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> * Details, details, such fussy little details!
>>>>>>>>>>> * You say that like it's a BAD thing....
>>>>>>>>>>> * "See this, mom? Is this FINALLY clean enough for you?!"

>>> **u/scruiser** [+1]  *CYOA* (3 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Capture a significant portion of the energy output of the sun, then convert energy to mass?

>>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+1]  *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (3 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Safely delivering a few hundred million comets is easier to accomplish in a reasonable timeframe.

>>>>> **u/scruiser** [+3]  *CYOA* (3 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chakra can directly materialize water and earth.  Thus we know in-universe that direct matter materialization is possible and easy enough to do it for every Shinobi in the setting.  Assuming this is a result of some technological means, that would imply that in-universe materializing matter may be easier than transporting that many comets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have on-demand, on-location, instant and rapid matter materialization, then you probably can also rapidly  transport energy.  Bootstrapping a dyson swarm around the sun is pretty straightforward then.  Build your first few solar satellites via conventional means.  Capture enough energy to build your next solar satellite via your matter materialization process.  Use ultra lightweight material to save on the power required.  From there it is straightforward exponential growth in your number of satellites.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And of course, your matter materialization technology might also have some related technology that allows you to rapidly and directly siphon energy/mass from the sun, making even the solar satellites unnecessary.

>> **u/derefr** [+2]  (2 hours later)
>> 
>> Eh, doesn't seem implausible even in our universe. The mangekyo transformation seems like the kind of thing that would cause the a burst of chakra, which, like radiotheraphy, might effectively "sterilize" and then "cauterize" the eye, killing any of the host's immune cells inside it and then preventing any more from entering. The eye would, thus, be incredibly vulnerable to infection, which could lead to complications like retinal detachment or cataracts.
>> 
>> But if the eye were to be transplanted to a host whose DNA was similar enough to *not* reject it as foreign tissue, then the surgical site would create an entrance for the new host's immune cells to enter the eyeball and protect it from then on. Sort of as if the eye had bones which got a bone-marrow transplant.
>> 
>> This does bring up an obvious issue if we try to apply our world's medical science to the world of Naruto: why didn't Kakashi, or anyone else, experience organ rejection and auto-immune problems upon taking some random eye and sticking it into their body? Can *regular* eyes also be easily given to random strangers in the Narutoverse?

>>> **u/Schpwuette** [+2]  (2 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Just to show that it *can* be explained away: after permeating the eye with their own chakra, their body accepts it.

> **u/Shadawn** [+4]  (3 hours later)
> 
> I remember theorethizing about Narutoverse and their transplantable eyes. My conclusion was that they weren't in any way usual eyes, but special simbiontes. This explained the apparent ease of transplantation. Also, with no way to replace one of your eyes, Hinata-style sacrifice would be much less pleasant to do (in Wavesverse I can see "eye donation" becoming mainstream unless Naruto actually fixes everything).
> 
> Also, this fic is awesome.

> **u/mns2** [+8]  (29 minutes later)
> 
> For a second I thought Itachi would ambush Naruto after tricking him into vulnerability.

>> **u/derefr** [+7]  (2 hours later)
>> 
>> Totally; Sasuke sitting on Itachi telling Naruto to get ready for an eye transplant is exactly the sort of thing a rational Itachi would project with the Mangekyo if he knew Naruto needed to drop his shadow clones to be vulnerable.
>> 
>> Heck, for that matter, I just realized that I don't think we've seen a *single* use of genjutsu so far this whole fic. You'd think Naruto would love the idea of the battle tactics genjutsu use opens up—if not for himself (with his poor chakra control) then at least for Hinata.

>>> **u/i_dont_know** [+4]  (6 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Can't the byagugan see through genjutsu?

>>>> **u/rumblestiltsken** [+4]  (10 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Never actually proven against tsukiyomi in canon. Open question.

>>>> **u/Riddle-Tom_Riddle** [+1]  (8 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> I thought it's the Sharingan that does that. Maybe both do?

> **u/BakeshopNewb** [+2]  (2 hours later)
> 
> A Byakugō to go with the Byakugan

> **u/Kuratius** [+1]  (7 hours later)
> 
> Hey, /u/Wertifloke, do we get to see some more romantic tension  between Naruto and Hinata?
> 
> Bonus points if there's dialogue among the lines of "I want to have Naruto inside me" (referring to wanting to keep his eye) and everyone misunderstands.
> 
> My only other question is whether the rinnegan works like a Langford basilisk (they exist, the nine-tailed beast effectively behaves like a mind virus), because that's really the only way for this story not to turn into a crackfic or pure power fantasy.
> 
> Edit:
> Actually, whether the nine-tailed beast is a mind virus depends on what happens if Naruto becomes the beast while there are still clonces running around. Strictly speaking it depends on the details of how shadow clones transfer their memories.

> **u/dodriohedron** [+0]  (11 hours later)
> 
> In canon I don't see why Kisame wouldn't have kept generating water faster than it could have been syrup'd, even if just to get an escape route.
> 
> The nerfing and dumbification of certain figures seems to be one of the main deviations from canon, in addition to Naruto getting a bit more intelligent.

>> **u/Stop_Sign** [+2]  (19 hours later)
>> 
>> Maybe, but he has to deal with dozens or hundreds of clones with infinite Chakra pumping syrup at him. There has to be a limit of how fast he can spit out water and it would more quickly become syrup over time. Sure, the story could have had a sentence or two to describe this but considering the result is the same I don't think it's a big deal

>>> **u/dodriohedron** [-1]  (20 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Nah, there is no mechanical explanation for how Naruto won against a canon Kisame, the villains are just dramatically weaker, dumber and have fewer abilities than in the anime.

>>>> **u/Topher876** [+2]  (20 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> We know Naruto covered the water with clones, at that point there is no escape route. If you doubt the power of syrup, look up the great molasses flood.

>>>>> **u/dodriohedron** [+2]  (21 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, but in the style of a teenage who would win:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Canon Kisame creates his entire water katamari in about 6 seconds including casting time. If Naruto takes more than 6 seconds to syrupify the entire sphere than Kisame can outpace it with water creation. Don't forget Kisame has about 3x as much chakra as canon Naruto. So Kisame either didn't think of it (dumber) or his techniques are slower than Canonisame (weaker), or he doesn't have the chakra to do so (weaker). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. The chakra eating sword absorbs chakra on contact, and when its part of kisame he does too. If syrup without chakra reverts to water, then why would it impede him at all. It certainly wouldn't survive being drawn into his gills, so he'd be able to breathe. The chakra absorption has a maximum rate, but it works quickly enough to absorb most of a tailed vessel's chakra cloak in half a second, and Naruto's experiment showed that syrup isn't much more chakra dense than elementally created water. Kisame didn't do this here, so either he didn't realise he could (dumber) or he doesn't absorb chakra in the same way (fewer abilities).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. Canonisame's personality was that he loved to fight in close quarters where he could use his superior strength and endurance. In canon he resorted to the water katamari only when he was pressured in close quarters combat. Fanfic Kisame makes no attempt to employ strategy, and goes straight for the water sphere, even though it would accomplish nothing he wasn't already doing (dumber).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4. Bonus:  
>>>>> I'm not sure why Kisame maintained the shape of the water, instead of letting it flow away so he could escape it. Unless the syrup is very viscous, enough so that it can keep kami knows how many tons of water contained. Maybe chakra syrup really is that thick, so free pass on this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think that this fight is just a demonstration to show that Naruto is awesome and he beats everybody no matter what, which is fine for a fanfic, and I'm enjoying how the techniques are designed to be munchkinable and the narrative of Naruto picking them apart.
>>>>> 
>>>>> **The point:** My point is just that this isn't the single point of departure fanfic I thought it was at first, and rational!Naruto isn't the biggest deviation. I also think it would be more satisfying if the antagonists were, maybe not rational, thinking characters, but at least self interested to some extent.

>> **u/faflec** [+1]  (23 hours later)
>> 
>> The smart thing for him to have done was go underground. Canon Kisame does have the technique and Naruto's syrup wouldn't extend downwards.
>> 
>> On the other hand, by the time this Kisame began trying to escape the dome he was already covered in the sap. Might not have made a difference.

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