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## Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 120: Something to Protect: Draco Malfoy
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* Author: u/itisike *Dragon Army**
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* URL: http://hpmor.com/chapter/120
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* Score: 21
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* Created: 2015-03-12T20:04:40
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### Post:
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[Link to content](http://hpmor.com/chapter/120)
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### Comments:
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> **u/JackStargazer** [+6] *Primordial Apologist* (2 hours later)
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> Of course.
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> Because even for The Greater Good, I don't think the Phoenix would have stayed.
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>> **u/itisike** [+3] *Dragon Army* (3 hours later)
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>> Did you predict that in advance?
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>>> **u/None** [+3] (9 hours later)
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>>>
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>>> Likely referencing an earlier chapter:
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>>>
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>>> >Fawkes circled Minerva McGonagall three times, feathered wings brushing around her as the tears began to creep down her cheeks; then the bird flew out a window above the Hall, and was gone.
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>>>> **u/itisike** [+2] *Dragon Army* (17 hours later)
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>>>>
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>>>> I thought they were saying that D didn't kill N was obvious. That could have been predicted as soon as it was mentioned, plus after we hear about the pheonix rules.
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>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1] (a day later)
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>>>>>
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>>>>> From Dumbledore's cagey answer to the "did you kill her?" question, I'd always assumed he hadn't.
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> **u/daydev** [+5] (12 hours later)
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> Talk about having a cake and eating it too. I'll tell you everything to soothe my conscience, but then I'll erase it back, so it wouldn't create any inconvenient consequences.
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>> **u/FeepingCreature** [+8] *GCV Literally The Entire Culture* (13 hours later)
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>> You know, I never quite understood why having your cake and eating it too would be a _bad_ thing to desire.
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>>> **u/itisike** [+5] *Dragon Army* (17 hours later)
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>>> The expression is really eating your cake and having it too: after you eat it, it's gone.
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>>> TIL?
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>>> **u/pseudonameous** [+3] (16 hours later)
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>>> Yes. The expression is that you _can't_ have both. With magic, you can. Why not then?
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>>>> **u/daydev** [+2] (17 hours later)
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>>>> No, with memory charm you can have a (self)delusion. You can *pretend* that even if you erased the memories afterwards (sealed of, same difference in the foreseeable future at least) it still counts that you told him.
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>>>>> **u/pseudonameous** [+5] (17 hours later)
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Nope, it's not delusion. He really did tell Draco. The point was to see what he will say, not for him to know the truth.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> He now knows how Draco would react, and he didn't endanger the secret.
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>>>>>> **u/daydev** [+2] (18 hours later)
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>>>>>> But you see, Harry and the narrative seem to think that Harry is doing a nice thing. Harry even said "I won't manipulate you", etc. But if telling someone something to see their reaction and then making them forget to avoid the consequences is not a (pretty horrible) manipulation, I don't know what is.
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>>>>>> It's like in canon you have a horrible story about Tom's mother and Riddle Sr., but then Hermione says with a straight face that "love potions are not dark or dangerous" (real quote).
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>>>>>> Edit: missing word.
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>>>>>>> **u/Lord_Drol** [+2] *NERV* (18 hours later)
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> That's a real quote, but horribly out of context.
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> She says that in response to a question about the legality of the use of love potions. In context it is obvious that she is explaining the attitude taken by wizarding society/the ministry, not endorsing that attitude.
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>>>>>>>> **u/daydev** [+1] (20 hours later)
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>>>>>>>> I wouldn't say that it's *horribly* out of context. Hermione certainly speaks *as if* it's her own opinion. She doesn't use any qualifiers like "the Ministry doesn't consider love potions ..." or something, like a person who just relates a government's policy they don't agree with would.
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>> **u/qznc** [+1] *Chaos Legion* (13 hours later)
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>> > You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. –Harvey Dent
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> **u/AmeteurOpinions** [+2] *Finally, everyone was working together.* (20 hours later)
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> What the *hell*, Harry.
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> **u/eaglejarl** [+1] (a day later)
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> I'm assuming that's Narcissa, right? Dumbledore hid her and pretended he'd killed her.
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