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## AskReddit - To conquer the world you can revive 3 people from dead. They will obey you unconditionally. Who will you revive, how will you conquer the world?

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* Created: 2015-09-28T15:08:18

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> **u/ArgentStonecutter** [+18]  *Emergency Mustelid Hologram* (42 minutes later)
> 
> My first pick is going to be tough, but once I have it... I defer the next two picks to them. What's the point in hiring talent if you're not going to use it?

> **u/traverseda** [+18]  *With dread but cautious optimism* (4 hours later)
> 
> Can I revive myself? Obeying me unconditionally sounds great.
> 
> See previous posts on what you can do with perfect willpower.

>> **u/Revisional_Sin** [+1]  (6 days later)
>> 
>> Link?

>>> **u/traverseda** [+1]  *With dread but cautious optimism* (6 days later)
>>> 
>>> Might have been by /u/tries_to_explain, who deleted their account recently.

> **u/FuguofAnotherWorld** [+7]  *Roll the Dice on Fate* (9 hours later)
> 
> Wait for someone extremely rich and powerful to suffer a life-threatening accident, spam revives at them till it takes. With any luck it'll be explained away as 'oh they just died on the operating table for a few seconds'. 
> 
> Intelligence is nice in a minion, but hilarious amounts of money and power are more vital for such an undertaking. Political leaders are nice, but democracy ensures you're paying for only a few years of actual use, and you can't really have them do much because in most cases their party can just have a vote of no confidence. 
> 
> Next step, using my money and power to kill someone who has *all* the blackmail material, like the director of the NSA. This time have some fancy detectors pointed at me (and if possible him/her) while reviving. I mean, I *probably* can't recreate this phenomena, but on the off-chance I can then It's worth investing the resources.
> 
> At that point though I kinda peter out. There is no one person sufficiently intelligent or rich to conquer the world. Unless there is and they're competent enough that we don't know about it. Spend some resources to find out who the next most powerful or useful person on the planet is. Chinese intelligence head? Really rich dude? If possible use it on myself? Take em over anyway.
> 
> Attempt to blackmail all of the congressmen and senators and news agencies and what have you to slowly twist the world in the direction I want it twisted. Try to have people under my command be pulling all of the strings. That's about as far as I get though. I can influence the world and maybe turn it a little bit into what I consider a better place, but conquering it is unlikely.

> **u/None** [+4]  (9 hours later)
> 
> Wait wait wait wait.  You have the power to resurrect the dead, and you're asking me to use it for conquest?
> 
> What the fuck is wrong with you!?

>> **u/None** [+3]  (13 hours later)
>> 
>> Only three people, and they seem to become zombie mind slaves. What would you use it for?

>>> **u/JackStargazer** [+2]  *Primordial Apologist* (23 hours later)
>>> 
>>> Figuring out the process by which you are given the power to reveive the dead, obviously. It's the wishing for more wishes answer.

> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+8]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (23 minutes later)
> 
> I shoot the obama, putin, and xu jinping (sp? The dude who "leads" china).
> 
> That's about 2 billion people under my control right there.

>> **u/ArgentStonecutter** [+5]  *Emergency Mustelid Hologram* (an hour later)
>> 
>> Way to munchkin the power.

>> **u/blazinghand** [+5]  *Chaos Undivided* (3 hours later)
>> 
>> "Revive" makes it sound like they have to be dead, which makes your plan harder and significantly more hilarious

>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+2]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (4 hours later)
>>> 
>>> The intent is to make them dead. I only need one, and the other two are much easier.

>>>> **u/blazinghand** [+9]  *Chaos Undivided* (4 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> Right, and the part where you make them dead before reviving them will be awesome. Step 0 to world domination is kill three of the hardest-to-kill men on the planet. Now all we need is a laser in space.

>>>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+2]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (5 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can just kamikaze Obama, then have him pardon me at some later date Hell, it would likely even raise his favorability rating.

>>>>>> **u/Kishoto** [+11]  (6 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you visibly kill the president and revive him, I'm almost certain the US wouldn't accept Zombama as their leader

>>>>>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+0]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (7 hours later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "I'm fine, the bullet missed me."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And anyways, Obama is the ideal target, because his dark complexion will conspire to hide bloodstains.

>>>>>>>> **u/FuguofAnotherWorld** [+1]  *Roll the Dice on Fate* (8 hours later)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think you are seriously underestimating the levels of precaution/paranoia US Presidents have their guards display.

>>>>>>>>> **u/None** [+3]  (13 hours later)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You could use the first one to revive a sniper, which would almost certainly allow you to get away with it.

>>>>>>>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+2]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (9 hours later)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> An american citizen without anything to lose* has the best shot at it. I'm not making any guarantees that it would work, but it's the single best scheme I can think of that can go into effect *quickly*. And the longer it takes to implement a scheme, the higher the chance of something interfering.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *That is to say, taking over the world is the be-all, end all of my utility function.

>> **u/Ozimandius** [+4]  (3 hours later)
>> 
>> Obama only has a little over a year left.  Better to wait for the next president at this point and maybe get 8 years out of them.
>> 
>> Or maybe kill a billionaire like Gates or Carlos Slim.  Money is power, and Gates is pretty universally liked.

>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+2]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (4 hours later)
>>> 
>>> If I can nab all three, I can manufacture a world war and invent some sort of pretense for re-electing obama for a third term.

>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+3]  (4 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> >  invent some sort of pretense for re-electing obama for a third term.
>>>> 
>>>> **Twenty Second Amendment to the United States Constitution**
>>>> 
>>>> **Section 1.** No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

>>>>> **u/JackStargazer** [+3]  *Primordial Apologist* (23 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Obvious solution: Revive FDR. He predates the amendment.

>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+3]  (a day later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ooh, sneaky.  I think it would need to be Truman, though, since it says: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President **when this article was proposed by the Congress,**
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ...not "or before this amendment".  It was *passed* in 1951, but *proposed* in 1947.  Truman was President in both those years.

>>>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+2]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (5 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Easy. Just use the war as a pretext for passing laws that wouldn't otherwise have passed. We've suspended habeus corpus before.

>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+3]  (7 hours later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you mean laws that will let you re-elect Obama? That's not actually a thing you can do. That requires a Constitutional Amendment, which is rather harder.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> [Quoting:](http://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp)
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Article V of the Constitution prescribes how an amendment can become a part of the Constitution. While there are two ways, only one has ever been used. All 27 Amendments have been ratified after two-thirds of the House and Senate approve of the proposal and send it to the states for a vote. Then, three-fourths of the states must affirm the proposed Amendment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The actual wording of Article V is: “The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.”

>>>>>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+0]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (7 hours later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Amendments are laws that amend the constitution. Lincoln used the civil war to pass some amendments, so it's certainly been done before.

>>>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+4]  (8 hours later)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You did read what I posted, right?  The President can't pass anything.  He can propose an amendment to Congress; if 2/3 of the ~550 Congressfolk pass the amendment and *then* 3/4 of the states pass it, *then* it becomes an amendment.  On average it's taken 2.5 years for an amendment to pass, and that's for things that were major national issues.  If you need to rewrite the Constitution for your plan to pass, you might want to pass on your plan.

>>>>>>>>> **u/GaBeRockKing** [+2]  *Horizon Breach: http://archiveofourown.org/works/6785857* (9 hours later)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The idea is to imcite a war, thus giving the president a *lot* bigger say, to the point where he can get an amendment passed through congress. Why do you think I used lincoln's example?

>>>>> **u/TimTravel** [+1]  (a day later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Easy loophole: new term as vice president, then president dies.

>>>>>> **u/eaglejarl** [+1]  (a day later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That...might work? He'd be doing the job the minute the President dropped, but his political opponents would immediately try to get him replaced. I don't know how it would work out.

>>>>>>> **u/TimTravel** [+1]  (a day later)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think it works, rules as written.

>>>>>> **u/electrace** [+1]  (a day later)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The way that works is, if you take over the current presidents term, and have less than 2 years until the next election, that doesn't count as your term.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have more than 2 years, then that's considered your first term.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, technically, you could be president for a maximum of 10 years.

> **u/philip1201** [+3]  (34 minutes later)
> 
> I'm afraid that it might be a teacher's password here, but one of the best shots at *taking over the world* seems to be to make an fAI. Revive two great mathematicians and a great leader/organiser/planner of small organisations (probably all from the 20th century), and you'll likely be the head of the best AI research team in the world, and therefore have the best shot at making the fAI which conquers the world (for you).

>> **u/None** [+9]  (2 hours later)
>> 
>> We already have  AI teams, and mathematicians (honestly, it's a question of which mathematician is a Great Man, and whose work has been incorporated by talented enough people but it's beyond my competency).
>> 
>> I don't think that three people, even Great Men, can really do things like that, or can be so superior to current organizations*. There's a sort of plasticity in scifi, where geniuses can do outlandish things, which gives some leeway but just assuming three real people? Much harder.
>> 
>> *Unless you swap one of them out with someone with a ridiculous fortune.

>>> **u/None** [+1]  (9 hours later)
>>> 
>>> > honestly, it's a question of which mathematician is a Great Man, and whose work has been incorporated by talented enough people but it's beyond my competency
>>> 
>>> Terry fucking Tao.  Though I do otherwise agree with you.

>>> **u/philip1201** [+1]  (6 hours later)
>>> 
>>>  I'm not expecting them to do outlandishly well, and I wouldn't keep their existence secret. My plan is merely to literally create the best AI research team in the world, and if Paul Erdös and, I don't know, Eisenhower or something publicly announce they have come back from the grave to deal with the threat of AI, I don't expect them to have trouble finding publicity, tenure, private funding or research assistants.
>>> 
>>> My plan is simple, legal, doesn't require secrecy or unproven skills, and creates a reign everlasting upon success. It doesn't give 99% chance of success, or probably even 10%, but 1% doesn't seem unreasonable. I've yet to see people do better, including ones who try to use religious prophets.
>>> 
>>> Also note that they don't keep their possessions, including their money.

>>>> **u/None** [+2]  (6 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> > but 1% doesn't seem unreasonable
>>>> 
>>>> 1% chance of developing something we can't do and are not sure how close we are to + making sure that it's safe/doesn't flame out or hurt anyone + making sure that social factors don't break this?
>>>> 
>>>> For me, it's almost impossible to put a number on such a thing, but then, I'm not that knowledgeable about the combination of AI, research and sociology required.
>>>> >I've yet to see people do better, including ones who try to use religious prophets.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course. Because taking over the world is a comic book concept. So you need comic book characters. If real people could take over the world they would have. Even with an unimaginable industrial advantage (compared to three people) it wasn't done.And it won't be now. 
>>>> 
>>>> Coming up with something...extrahuman to do it might indeed be the smartest path, I'm just playing the pessimist.

>>>>> **u/philip1201** [+0]  (7 hours later)
>>>>> 
>>>>> >Coming up with something...extrahuman to do it might indeed be the smartest path,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is my claim. You are agreeing with me. It doesn't have to be likely, it just has to be the least implausible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> >For me, it's almost impossible to put a number on such a thing,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm just wildly guessing. By Bayes' law, even a statement you know nothing about has some subjective probability of being true. 1% seems like a plausible number based on shallow guesswork. Something like:
>>>>> 
>>>>> AI in our lifetimes: 0.5
>>>>> 
>>>>> Erdös and co spearheading AI research at that time: 0.05
>>>>> 
>>>>> Them managing to make an fAI without error: 0.4
>>>>> 
>>>>> Multiply and you get 1% chance.

> **u/Farmerbob1** [+2]  *Level 1 author* (12 hours later)
> 
> Three people raised from the dead to conquer the world.
> 
> I will assume that they will be capable of surviving for more than a short time.  My power will give them the ability to live for many years.
> 
> The first thing is going to be money.  We need someone who will have access to money, even if they have died and lost it.  One of the Saudi princes would do.  Resurrect them shortly after their death, before the transferal of power has occurred.
> 
> Firstly, they will have lots of money because of the simple fact that they are alive.  Secondly, they just rose from the dead.  This would definitely classify as a miracle to religious true believers, especially if they were dead for long enough that there was absolutely no doubt that he was dead.  Even better if he was embalmed.  (I don't know Islamic burial rites.)
> 
> I now practically own at least half of the religious population of the Middle East, and substantial blocks of Muslim true believers elsewhere.  I immediately establish a Caliphate in the Saudi Prince's name.
> 
> Next up, Mahatma Ganhdi.  Another miraculous resurrection.  Cult of personality in India, funded by Saudi Arabian money.
> 
> And finally, George Washington.  There's genetic material of his still around to prove it's him.  There's a pretty damn good chance that the US public would be rather vocal about getting him back in the President's seat, and damn the constitution.
> 
> The Saudi Prince's money would go through Gandhi to fund George's efforts to get the 22nd amendment repealed.
> 
> Between the Caliphate in the Middle East, Gandhi in India, and the enthralled Americans, I now have secondhand control of about a fifth of the world population and a rather substantial percentage of global GDP.
> 
> That's a good start.

> **u/None** [+2]  (13 hours later)
> 
> >1. I'd wait until after the next US president is elected, have them shot, then immediately revive them before anyone notices that they had died. Wham, I now have nuclear weapons.
> 
> >2. One of the 9/11 hijackers. Due to their extremely verifiable status of being dead, they'd be able to gather _major_ support with their resurrection.
> 
> >3. John Paul II - again, his death was extremely verifiable, so he'll have a massive religious following after his resurrection.
> 
> Oh, I forgot to link [my own comment](http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3mou3l/z/cvgx4bf)

> **u/Ozimandius** [+4]  (3 hours later)
> 
> Jesus Christ, Muhammed, Nikolai Tesla.  The first two to get over half the world's population (who conveniently seem to be relatively easy to convince of things) and the last to build some amazing technology to take over the world.  Jesus and Muhammed should be able to get me enough manpower and money to invest into whatever genius ideas Nikolai can come up with.
> 
> There is of course the major problem of convincing people that it is actually Jesus or Muhammed.  And the possibility that Jesus didn't exist is always a concern, but presumably I wouldn't be wasting my power if it didn't work.

>> **u/None** [+1]  (3 hours later)
>> 
>> [deleted]

>>> **u/Ozimandius** [+3]  (3 hours later)
>>> 
>>> I just read this post, did not click through to see any prohibitions.  I mentioned the possibility that it might be problematic - though perhaps you had started your reply before I made the edit.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I believe that if Jesus was raised with wounds in his hands and feet and sides and I brought him to the Pope, we could probably convince him and others.  Potentially if any holy artifacts are actually legit (blood of jesus/ shroud of turin, etc) there would be another avenue towards legitimacy.  
>>> 
>>> As for Muhammed, I don't really know enough about him to make a guess but I would imagine there are ways.  He did leave a major mark on that part of the world, after all, and probably knows some things that could be corroborated or explain some ancient texts, shrines, etc.

>>>> **u/FuguofAnotherWorld** [+3]  *Roll the Dice on Fate* (8 hours later)
>>>> 
>>>> > Anyway, I believe that if Jesus was raised with wounds in his hands and feet and sides and I brought him to the Pope, we could probably convince him and others.
>>>> 
>>>> Dozens of people go to the holy land, turn crazy and become convinced they are Jesus every year. Barring him pulling actual miracles you'd have little more luck than they do. 
>>>> 
>>>> I feel like if there was Jesus's genetic material floating about we would have heard about it? Like people would be doing reconstructions of his phenotype from the genetics and someone would be making waves about cloning him and so on.

> **u/wendigo_days** [+1]  (8 hours later)
> 
> People vary way less in capability than in fame: the real treasure here is the fact that you're resurrecting famous people, which hints you want to get them elected into popular office. Abraham Lincoln/George Washington/Benjamin Franklin (maybe) would have a very good chance to be elected. Get Peter, Nevsky, or Catherine up in Russia. Have them forge radically close diplomatic relations. Try to wrangle China, which will feel threatened, into making a military move on India, where you may or may not have needed to install Bapu, then bring India into the alliance and crush China. If you can't get China to attack on its own, revive Mao and use him to attack. If you don't need him or Bapu, then you resurrect Mohammed.
> 
> I don't think you want to do Jesus because you don't have a way to verify his identity.
> 
> This is assuming the creation of an international coalition, turning into a world government asap, counts as conquering. If violent seizure of territory is the only option, then use your countries to create a very powerful space program with the aim of being able to drop giant rocks onto Earth, specifically on cities and power plants. There's not much they can do against this. There's no realistic way to avoid your territory then getting nuked, especially given the difficulty of destroying underground missile bunkers, but that's not a big issue because a seed population can rebound very quickly.

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