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[RT][FF] Divine Grail, Chapter 2: A Fate/Zero fanfic
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Author: u/blazinghand Chaos Undivided*
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Score: 8
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Created: 2015-11-29T11:35:37
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u/IomKg [+1] (an hour later)
It is still interesting, but i found the 1st chapter more interesting..
Should I understand from you description that the holy grail in this fic doesn't grant wishes, but instead answers questions?
Also it may be intentional but so far i don't see how what is described explains the need for 7 mages fighting for the right to ask a question..
u/JackStargazer [+1] Primordial Apologist (12 hours later)
Should I understand from you description that the holy grail in this fic doesn't grant wishes, but instead answers questions?
With absolute power and knowledge, it's basically the same thing.
The Grail is a one use Path to Victory.
u/IomKg [+2] (12 hours later)
Hmm i don't know, some things are just not possible with knowledge alone. I mean you can always phrase a question as "how could i make come true", but while its a valid question some cases will just have a null"you can't" answer.
from the link you provide:
If a task is absolutely physically impossible no matter what plan or path one could use, it is still impossible. For example, a user of this power cannot simply make objects appear out of thin air or warp reality. If, however, the user has enough time and resources, they may be able to find ways to attain these "impossible" goals.
What is physically impossible of course depends on the universe of the story\what the author decides , but still it is different than the original described in the fate series, at least as far as I am aware of it(just watched the series, never played the games).
u/JackStargazer [+1] Primordial Apologist (13 hours later)
True, but what actually is physically impossible according to the laws of the universe is unknowable unless you actually know the laws of that universe fully.
Easy to see from a creator's perspective outside looking in, less so from the inside looking out.
u/IomKg [+1] (a day later)
After thinking about it some more I think that while technically as far as tools for the author go it allows for about the same things. If it -doesn't- actually make a difference then why is it there? why change it if its doing the same thing?
Its like having gun which is described as not working when humidity is higher then 70%, if the character lives in a desert and is never going to be effected by this limitation, then why specify it in the first place? basically Chekhov's gun.
u/sir_pirriplin [+1] (23 hours later)
In a universe where magic exists, knowledge is literally power. If you ask the Grail how to do something that is physically impossible, it might say "do this magic ritual".
u/IomKg [+2] (a day later)
Magic does not mean anything is possible. even in a world where magic exists there usually are some limitations..
u/sir_pirriplin [+1] (a day later)
But it means that some things that look impossible are not actually impossible. If you have a wish that you desperately want to fulfil, then asking the Grail may be a reasonable Hail Mary kind of strategy.
u/IomKg [+1] (a day later)
In universe of course you would do that, though it would still be better to go to a grail which fulfills the wish(probably).
My point though was mostly from storytelling perspective, I wanted to know if there was any particular reason to change that aspect of canon..
u/sir_pirriplin [+1] (a day later)
From a storytelling perspective, remember how the Grail was supposed to be some sort of Servant bait? Maybe this other version of the Grail attracts a different kind of Servant.
u/IomKg [+2] (a day later)
That would be a sound reason of course. I just wandered if one such reason existed.. Or actually i just asked for verification that the grail is indeed different and its not just a different description of the same thing..
u/blazinghand [+1] Chaos Undivided (a day later)
Although this grail doesn't literally grant wishes, a carefully worded query will effectively grant a wish. Also, since it is smart, it's better at solving certain kinds of problems than the Holy Grail. Uh, to explain further, huge spoilers for F/Z. So, at the end of Fate/Zero:
u/IomKg [+1] (a day later)
Although this grail doesn't literally grant wishes, a carefully worded query will effectively grant a wish
if that is the case are you confirming that in your fic magic has no real limit? i.e. if someone made a properly worded "wish" which had the spirit of "how could i destroy the universe 5 seconds after hearing your answer" the grail will be able to give some kind of incantation which would destroy the universe? If so why change the wording?
u/blazinghand [+1] Chaos Undivided (a day later)
That should answer your confusion.
Regarding what kind of things you could do with The Divine Grail: it's still limited by the rules of the magic system. If there is a way to destroy the world in 5 seconds then yeah I guess the Grail could answer that. But there's have to be a way for that to be possible, ya dig? It doesn't rewrite the laws of physics.
u/IomKg [+1] (a day later)
But there's have to be a way for that to be possible, ya dig? It doesn't rewrite the laws of physics.
Yeah I got that, but you said "a carefully worded query will effectively grant a wish." which didn't specify a limitation so i asked if that meant you verified that in the fic magic has no limit, seeing as you are the author and in theory if you decide the world is built that way then anything -will- be possible. anyhow i mostly wanted to be sure there were differences and it wasn't just a different explanation, you can just show the rest in the fic :)
u/blazinghand [+2] Chaos Undivided (a day later)
SPOILERS: This is taken directly from the Fate Zero Anime. Here are screenshots from the second-to-last episode: http://imgur.com/a/y6lKn
u/IomKg [+1] (a day later)
hmm interesting, I remembered it as what kiritsugu imagined there, I'll take another look I suppose, thanks for the screenshots :)
u/blazinghand [+1] Chaos Undivided (a day later)
u/Jiro_T [+1] (a day later)
Remember that being able to answer "a question" is equivalent being able to answer as many questions as you want (as long as one question doesn't depend on another).
u/blazinghand [+1] Chaos Undivided (a day later)
I'm still planning this part out, but I think question-answering also won't limited by things like "your query must be a singular question" but more like "The Grail only has a information gathered from before the questioning begins, and a limited (if massive) amount of power. If you ask questions and change the state of the world in a big way, The Grail's info is gonna be less relevant since it was gathered before you did X Y Z"