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## The Game of Champions is now on goodreads. (hope L. Lamora won't mind I added it...)
* Author: u/orenmn *
* URL: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34513061-the-game-of-champions
* Score: 14
* Created: 2017-03-08T15:57:48
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### Comments:
> **u/Amonwilde** [+8] (an hour later)
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> Any word on Game of Champions ever coming back? Really enjoyed this one, want to see it concluded.
>> **u/duskulldoll** [+10] (an hour later)
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>> As I recall, the author is in the military and doesn't really have the time to work on it. I don't think it's canceled, just on indefinite hiatus.
>>
>> Interestingly (but only a little), a very similar situation occured with a very similar fan work - Landwalker's Yellow Nuzlocke.
>>> **u/Menolith** [+5] *Unworthy Opponent* (2 hours later)
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>>> Seeing both of those go unfinished hurts a bit.
>>> **u/t3tsubo** [+4] (a day later)
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>>> He sometimes posts updates on the dark Lord Potter thread, but the last one was in November or something
> **u/TotesMessenger** [+5] (an hour later)
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> **u/None** [+3] (7 hours later)
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>> **u/OutOfNiceUsernames** [+7] *fear of last pages* (9 hours later)
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>> > [*The Sun Soul*](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5367085/1/The-Sun-Soul) by 50caliberchaos
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>> -
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>> > [*Triumvirate*](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11266745/1/Triumvirate) by Renaerys
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>> -
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>> > [*Pedestal*](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4871317/1/Pedestal) by Digital Skitty
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>> -
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>> > [*Traveler*](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8466693/1/Traveler) by The Straight Elf
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>> Are these the stories mentioned?
>> **u/DaystarEld** [+6] *Pokémon Professor* (14 hours later)
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>> Out of curiosity, are you not a fan of Origin of Species? If not, I'd love some feedback :)
>>> **u/None** [+4] (21 hours later)
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>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+2] *Pokémon Professor* (a day later)
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to any reviews you might have :)
>>> **u/Rouninscholar** [+1] (a day later)
>>>
>>> I do have to say, Ive been watching your story from the start. It feels like you might be getting to many divergent storylines, which makes the updates feel smaller if you dont like one or more. Coupled with the monthly update schedule I could see that hurting more than it helps, but maybe youre about to wrap up one or more of them?
>>> oh well, have fun, keep writing and all that.
>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+2] *Pokémon Professor* (a day later)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I'll keep that in mind :) It's definitely a worry that some readers may not be interested in particular storylines, so I'm trying to make sure each one is as engaging and relevant to one-another as possible.
>>>>> **u/Rouninscholar** [+1] (a day later)
>>>>>
>>>>> To be perfectly honest, if you release a chapter that is all about leaf, I'm probably not going to read it until the next chapter comes out.
>>>>> And Im one of your patreons so :P
>>>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+2] *Pokémon Professor* (a day later)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oof, good to know. Is this a new decision after you disliked Hearsay so much, or just from general dislike of Leaf's story from even before then?
>>>>>>> **u/Rouninscholar** [+1] (a day later)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didnt read hearsay all the way through tbh. it mostly just doest feel like what I am in the story for? I might like it better if read as a whole, but the biggest warning I can give you is im pretty impatient when it comes to reading, I read quickly and tend to not stay as invested in stories with larger breaks in them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, just read hearsay. I like the bit about the disaster. I like the discussion with the ranger about training the sleep powder. I like that you used giavonni to showcase the use of psychics in conversations.
>>>>>>> But in general I dont care about the whole chapter, nothing is happening to the main chaaracters to get emotionl about. It feels like reading a detective novel beginning, except leaf doesnt have all those skills and connections those detectives get. it is moderately interesting to me to see how the powerful stay in power and such, but to me some of that has to actually be an injustice against the little guys before it feels like it matters.
>>>>>>> "Oh no, something is happening to the guy that attacked us. Oh, he is just dead for another reason" isnt compelling, and with the logic that was shown for why they wouldnt let him escape means that if the big reveal that he is alive comes, how or why would we know? He doesnt seem like the revenge type, he has good reason to be nowhere near us.
>>>>>>> If he is dead and the reveal is supposed to be about that vigilante? Once again why would he matter again? unless they are going to get involved in the renegade process repeatedly (past conversations make it feel like you arent going in this direction) then he doesnt need to be involved. And none of them are vigilante kinda material, the closest being leaf's desire to find the truth or red's desire to give pokemon away for disaster relief.
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>>>>>>> Third possibility is that other dude saved renegade and faked the death, meaning that they will come for leaf if she keeps pushing. Makes giavonni into a rocket supporter again. We know he is dark (because come on) but he cannot be intellegent and also hurt leaf atm. So more renegade stuff, or her finding more and more corruption.
>>>>>>> But leaf isnt strong, and making her strong enough to fight an organization makes all of what blue is doing silly (he is busting his ass for strength, while she hangsout with him) so the giavonni is rocket androcket helped renegade path seems unlikely due to leaf having to be involved in rocket stuff more, and then it makes her seem weak if she has to hide behind red and blue.
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>>>>>>> So, it feels like leaf's story isnt really doing anything major, and on top of that it is only tangentally related to pokemon. The "rich people keep psychics on hand needed to be done to leaf, but the other parts I liked didnt need to be done in this way. Idk, My write up was much longer and I felt it was losing its point. So I deleted a bunch and here we are.
>>>>>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+1] *Pokémon Professor* (a day later)
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>>>>>>>> Lots of good feedback here, thanks for writing this all out!
>>>>>>>>> **u/Rouninscholar** [+1] (a day later)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And it still feels more negative than I meant it. But if I were a good writer I would be writing instead of criticizing. Oh well though. You give me something to read once a month anyway :p
>>>>>>>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+1] *Pokémon Professor* (a day later)
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>>>>>>>>>> No worries, I appreciate the detailed thoughts, negative or not :)
>>>>>>>>>>> **u/despicablenewb** [+1] (3 months later)
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>>>>>>>>>>> Game of Champions remains one of my favorite stories ever, up there with Rothfuss and Butcher.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know I'm resurrecting a dead thread, but it came up on my scheduled search for more of Lamora's content.
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>>>>>>>>>>> I realize I'm posting in a fanfic thread on r/rational, but obviously HPMOR is amazing as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> U/daystareld you're doing great. I tend to come back to your story every couple months, reading what I've missed, rereading a few chapters back and through again. I didn't know you were involved in HIV research until after CFAR was over otherwise I would have tried to find you. I'm working on TB now, so I wasn't at CFAR, but I work in Seattle.
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>>>>>>>>>>> I kind of agree with the stories of Leaf honestly, she's more of a supporting character, I mean that in the sense you would use for an RPG or MMO, she plays support. I didn't much care about her chapters, her solo adventures, but I also empathize with Red and Blue a lot more.
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>>>>>>>>>>> You're doing amazing well, I'm world building for a DnD campaign I'm Homebrewing and I know how difficult all this must be.
>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+1] *Pokémon Professor* (3 months later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, glad you're still enjoying it! One quick point of confusion:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> >I didn't know you were involved in HIV research
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not quite sure what you mean, did I say something that gave this impression? I'm a therapist by trade :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/despicablenewb** [+1] (3 months later)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw your blurb about being in Seattle for CFAR, which I know as The Center For AIDS Research, but I guess I misunderstood your acronym.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/DaystarEld** [+1] *Pokémon Professor* (3 months later)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh wow, I didn't even know that was a thing! I'll go correct that now, sorry, CFAR in the rationalist community is more widely known as the Center for Applied Rationality :)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **u/despicablenewb** [+1] (3 months later)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, that makes sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard of that before as well, but I'm a bit more entrenched in the biomed community than the rationality one.
>> **u/InfernoVulpix** [+4] (8 hours later)
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>> Agreed. I've read Sun Soul, Pedestal, and Traveller, and am currently reading Triumvirate and rereading Traveler.
>>
>> There's also [Pokemon: The Origin of Species](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9794740/1/Pokemon-The-Origin-of-Species) and [Pokemon: The Line](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11273833/1/Pok%C3%A9mon-The-Line), both rational interpretations of the Pokemon world, with Origin of Species being the largest so far.
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>> I can also recommend [Symbiosis](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7917071/1/Symbiosis), which has a similar understanding of the Pokemon world as not all sunshine and roses without delving into grimderp. The author recently announced that he's going to rewrite it under a new name after a year or two of planning, but that's not to say that what he's made so far isn't good.
>> **u/waylandertheslayer** [+2] (11 hours later)
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>> I liked Pokemon 0 as well, although it's shorter and not quite as good as GoC or Pedestal. I never really got into Sun Soul, is it worth another shot?
> **u/despicablenewb** [+2] (3 months later)
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> Game of Champions remains one of my favorite stories ever, up there with Rothfuss and Butcher.
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> I know I'm resurrecting a dead thread, but it came up on my scheduled search for more of Lamora's content.
>
> Origin of species is great, if you're turned off by the premise, it's not preachy or full of itself as you're probably thinking.
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> I realize I'm posting in a fanfic thread on r/rational, but obviously HPMOR is amazing as well.
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