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## [RT][FF]Chiaroscuro Discussion
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* Author: u/SkyTroupe *
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* URL: https://www.reddit.com/r/rational/comments/6ybf5g/rtffchiaroscuro_discussion/
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* Score: 13
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* Created: 2017-09-05T22:17:13
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### Post:
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So I've been reading [Chiaroscuro](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11267384/1/Chiaroscuro) and am all caught up on it. Was hoping to talk about it with people.
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A bit confused on the technique Shikamaru is trying to learn from his dad. What does it do? Am I right in thinking that [spoiler CH 56](#s "Shikamaru created Black Zetsu when he did the technique on his first time?") or is the author implying he made something similar?
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### Comments:
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> **u/hoja_nasredin** [+5] *Dai-Gurren Brigade* (16 hours later)
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> that thought never crossed my mind.
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> Black Zetsu is something that existed for centuries in canon I would believe the same applied here.
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> I consider chiaroscuro my favorite Naruto fanfic. Infireforged was a close second but it was discontinued as author finished university.
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> DO you know other Naruto fics on the same level?
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>> **u/SkyTroupe** [+3] (18 hours later)
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>>
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>> [Ghost](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/8116183/1/)
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>> [The Waves Arisen] (wertifloke.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/chapter-1/)
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>> [Team Anko] (https://m.fanfiction.net/s/11087425/1/)
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>> [A Month as Uzumaki Naruto](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/5945419/1/A-Month-as-Naruto-Uzumaki)
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>> [Time Braid](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/5193644/1/)
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>> [Geniuses of Hard Work](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/6097762/1/)
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>> [Naruto's Compensation](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/4611673/1/)
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>> These aren't all rationalist, but I did enjoy them.
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>>> **u/Ardvarkeating101** [+7] *Father of Learning* (a day later)
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>>>
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>>> Just a warning time braid has graphic child torture and rape and Team Anko.... takes a weird turn.
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>>>
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>>> I wouldn't call geniuses of hard work rational but it is hilarious
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>>> **u/Kuratius** [+1] (a day later)
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>>>
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>>> Link formatting broke.
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>>> **u/PM_ME_OS_DESIGN** [+1] (4 days later)
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>>>
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>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> > These aren't all rationalist, but I did enjoy them.
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>>>
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>>> Yes, generally the factors of quality are:
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>>>
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>>> 1. Execution of the page-to-page writing (the "juiciness", if you will - I think [nonjon](https://www.fanfiction.net/u/649528/nonjon) is an alright example of this).
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>>> 2. Pacing.
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>>> 3. Competent rationalist fiction.
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>>> 4. Interesting premise.
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>>>
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>>> Although #1 and #2 *might* be the same thing, and #3 and #4 could likely be swapped (because not all good fiction is rationalist fiction - although non-rationalist fiction basically *requires* #1 or #4). But that's something approaching the priorities of a decent author.
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>> **u/thrawnca** [+1] *Carbon-based biped* (9 days later)
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>> Team 8 is well done, I think, but on extended hiatus. It focuses a lot on Naruto, and especially Hinata, working through their isolated/abusive backgrounds. The Naruto-Hinata-Shino team dynamic works well, certainly better than canon's love-hate triangle. Team Anko has them too as I recall, [except](#s " the author specifically wanted to address polyamory, so Shino falls for Hinata too.")
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>> Lighting Up the Dark is fun, but will probably never be finished.
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>> If you like seeing the true power of the Multiple Shadow Clone technique, I'd suggest either The Waves Arisen (complete) or A Drop of Poison (incomplete).
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> **u/NotACauldronAgent** [+3] *Probably* (3 hours later)
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> I think it was a Black Zetsu is a shadow-"class" minion of Kaguya? I think so because Shikamaru did the shadow-bonding thingmajig it resonated with him? Any less rational and I would try to Unsong Metaphor it, but I'm not really sure.
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> **u/xamueljones** [+3] *My arch-enemy is entropy* (7 hours later)
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> I think the author is saying that [Shikamaru](#s " succeeded perfectly in splitting his shadow in half every time he did the technique. But splitting his shadow also splits his consciousness in half which kept making him black out each time due to the mental strain. The bit about Black Zetsu is probably about how he's a part of Kaguya in the same way as a shadow is part of Shikamaru. Hence Shikamaru's shadow looks similar to Zetsu.")
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>> **u/SkyTroupe** [+1] (17 hours later)
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>> Ahhhh. You know, that makes way more sense. So are [spoiler](#s "Zetsu not actually sentient themselves? Just a splinter off of Kaguya's consciousness? I assume that means Shikamaru will be making things like Zetsu?")
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>>> **u/Kishoto** [+1] (20 hours later)
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>>> [](#s "Idk about the story but I know that, in canon, Black Zetsu was stated to be Kaguya's Will. At first, it was stated to be Madara's but then it was revealed to be Kaguya's.")
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> **u/Revlar** [+1] (13 days later)
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> I'm not a fan of the Cerberus bit. The way this fanfic treats death and seeing loved ones again is positively empty.
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>> **u/Competitive_Act_1548** [+1] (6 years later)
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>> Empty as in no consequences? I'm sorry to just text you out the blue just started this fic
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>>> **u/Revlar** [+1] (6 years later)
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>>> Can't say I remember. I probably meant "emotionally flat" but I don't even know what "The Cerberus bit" refers to.
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