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## Greg Egan - "In the Ruins" - rational and rationalist.
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* Author: u/ArgentStonecutter *Emergency Mustelid Hologram**
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* URL: http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/MISC/RUINS/Ruins.html
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* Score: 19
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* Created: 2015-07-30T14:51:05
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### Post:
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[Link to content](http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/MISC/RUINS/Ruins.html)
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### Comments:
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> **u/Rangi42** [+12] (3 hours later)
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> Heh, "Kardashian type-3 civilization."
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>> **u/Transfuturist** [+1] *Carthago delenda est.* (12 hours later)
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>> Rational Keeping Up.
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>> ...
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> **u/None** [+4] (6 hours later)
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> This is easily the most horrifying dystopian satire I've seen since *Brave New World*.
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>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+2] *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (9 hours later)
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>> Eh, it could be a lot worse. Clearly other parts of the world are doing OK, and scientists can still be found...
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>>> **u/None** [+1] (10 hours later)
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>>> > Eh, it could be a lot worse.
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>>> Well yes, but that's why it's satire rather than "Everyone's dead, Jim."
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>>>> **u/PeridexisErrant** [+2] *put aside fear for courage, and death for life* (14 hours later)
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>>>> I meant more that in most of the classic examples, you get a sense that this is the state of the whole world - eg *1984*, *Brave New World*, etc - whereas here it's just a country that many people don't like anyway.
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>>>> I mean, there are *already* very large and powerful countries where things generally suck, and that's normal (for them, which is bad) not a dystopia.
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>>>>> **u/None** [+6] (21 hours later)
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Actually, in *1984* we ever saw or heard anything outside the UK. For all we know, it could have been a North Korea-style failed state.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> >I mean, there are already very large and powerful countries where things generally suck, and that's normal (for them, which is bad) not a dystopia.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Yes, but my original comment was a deliberate exaggeration for effect.
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> **u/None** [+4] (56 minutes later)
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> I'm not really a fan of how heavy-handed the story is. It reads as a caricature. And... the word "nerd" apparently bothers him? I mean, I see his point kind of, but I don't feel very persuaded by it. I mostly like Egan though, but I'm afraid the stories I like most are the least rational.
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>> **u/ArgentStonecutter** [+7] *Emergency Mustelid Hologram* (an hour later)
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>> It was the heavy-handedness that reminded me of this subreddit. I mean, you wouldn't describe HPMoR as "subtle" would you? \^\^
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>>> **u/BadGoyWithAGun** [+7] (3 hours later)
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>>> On the Author Tract scale, HPMOR is right up there with Left Behind.
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>> **u/ArisKatsaris** [+5] *Sidebar Contender* (18 hours later)
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>> > And... the word "nerd" apparently bothers him?
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>> It IS an insult, you know. That some of us use it on ourselves is just like all "reappropriations" of words. Call yourself a nerd all you like, but if you don't consider yourself one, please also don't use it to describe others either -- not unless you want to belittle them.
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> **u/hyenagrins** [+2] (13 hours later)
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> From sidebar:
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> > The story is like a puzzle; readers can reach the same solution as the characters by using the information provided earlier in the story.
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> The ultimate if a bit crude application of this principle, I stopped mid story and grabbed a piece of paper to work out the solution. And the final connection to higher dimension rotation is undoubtedly satisfying.
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